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Isolation Plot Planning III
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Hi everyone! If you haven’t already, please review the Planned Events portion of the History Page.
In our last plot planning entry, we decided to have the MoonClan/DawnClan battle take place this coming weekend (September 2nd-4th). However, we need to plan how we are going to escalate a skirmish between rogue DawnClaners and a MoonClan patrol to a large battle including the majority of both clans.
There are some more plot ideas that have been floating around for a while but need to be fleshed out, such as when the MoonClan spies are discovered in DawnClan, what will the chain of events be that lead DawnClan to send out spies of their own, and then the other clans to follow suit? As well, what are we doing with the prisoners NightClan has taken? My assumption would be that the other clans will take NightClan prisoners and attempt to trade hostages. However, we could have the other clans attack NightClan if the kidnapping continues, or if NightClan refuses to give up their prisoners in return for the captured NightClanners.
There have been a few plot elements that have been neglected lately, so I’d like to remind everyone that NightClan should be shifting into a violent, eager-to-prove-themselves mindset, while SunClan becomes very strict and single-minded in the pursuit of building up their clan’s strength. Incorporating these ideas into your cats’ day-to-day interactions will help push things forward much more than individual “larger” plot points will.
Aspenstar and Poppystar will both be retiring this month, how do we want to handle that? Spicy, Lilywish, would you like them to retire, be killed, or...?
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I believe there was discussion in MoonClan recently of partnering with SunClan to save the hostages in NightClan. Perhaps that could be used as a stepping stone towards a temporary alliance against NightClan? If said alliance were to succeed, and NightClan were to be forced to give up the hostages, that might force the last vestiges of hope for a more civilized Nightclan over to the mindset that NightClan needs to be strong. Perhaps this would also be the event which sparks Poppystar to retire, if Lilywish wishes it to be so, and could cause a large public movement for the next deputy to be even more vicious than Poppystar - perhaps even the import of a gang leader from outside of NightClan, who works to rebrand the clan as a gang. Hattori seems to be much more docile than Poppystar, so I predict that a conflict between him and the violent aspects of his clan could offer some momentum to the plot. In which direction I do not know.
Alternatively, if MoonClan goes with the other discussed plan of sending in more spies to take back their hostages in NightClan, this could spark NightClan to grow more suspicious and to begin sending out agents of their own - agents who kidnap and torture high-ranking cats in MoonClan, SunClan, and DawnClan to gain information from them regarding their clans' actions. This would offer an alternative to just more spies.
Next, SunClan - I think that Icedawn should be made leader while Darkstar is still alive and a prisoner, for the sake of strengthening the clan under a defined leadership. She should also appoint a deputy, for the same reasons - preferably a clan-born one, as the last two SunClan leaders (Icedawn and Darkcrest) have been immigrants, and to have a third immigrant might not go over very well with the current state of SunClan (This is not to say that they are anti-immigrant like the DawnClan nationalists, but they might want to have more familiar leadership in place). If Icedawn, as a character, would not ever appoint herself leader without confirmation that Darkstar is dead, then perhaps she could be pressured into it by her head warriors, who all use the reasoning mentioned above of clan-strengthening. I believe this might be the ideal situation.
Each of the clans is working to make themselves the strongest right now, all in different ways, and I believe that of all of them, DawnClan has been the least successful, since their schism has been so violent and dangerous. Perhaps DawnClan could experience a sudden of exodus of cats fleeing what they perceive as an increasingly violent situation. This might tip the scales back towards the traditionalists, who argue that with more cats gone, more immigrants are needed. If the overall goal is for the nationalists to gain control of DawnClan, then perhaps this decision to take in more immigrants results in a sudden explosion of spies and violent rogues, who cause problems for DawnClan and spur a mass banishment of immigrants, while pushing the nationalists into power.
Just a few ideas. Cheers!
Alternatively, if MoonClan goes with the other discussed plan of sending in more spies to take back their hostages in NightClan, this could spark NightClan to grow more suspicious and to begin sending out agents of their own - agents who kidnap and torture high-ranking cats in MoonClan, SunClan, and DawnClan to gain information from them regarding their clans' actions. This would offer an alternative to just more spies.
Next, SunClan - I think that Icedawn should be made leader while Darkstar is still alive and a prisoner, for the sake of strengthening the clan under a defined leadership. She should also appoint a deputy, for the same reasons - preferably a clan-born one, as the last two SunClan leaders (Icedawn and Darkcrest) have been immigrants, and to have a third immigrant might not go over very well with the current state of SunClan (This is not to say that they are anti-immigrant like the DawnClan nationalists, but they might want to have more familiar leadership in place). If Icedawn, as a character, would not ever appoint herself leader without confirmation that Darkstar is dead, then perhaps she could be pressured into it by her head warriors, who all use the reasoning mentioned above of clan-strengthening. I believe this might be the ideal situation.
Each of the clans is working to make themselves the strongest right now, all in different ways, and I believe that of all of them, DawnClan has been the least successful, since their schism has been so violent and dangerous. Perhaps DawnClan could experience a sudden of exodus of cats fleeing what they perceive as an increasingly violent situation. This might tip the scales back towards the traditionalists, who argue that with more cats gone, more immigrants are needed. If the overall goal is for the nationalists to gain control of DawnClan, then perhaps this decision to take in more immigrants results in a sudden explosion of spies and violent rogues, who cause problems for DawnClan and spur a mass banishment of immigrants, while pushing the nationalists into power.
Just a few ideas. Cheers!
@Alien - Those sound like really good ideas! I really don't have protest towards any of them, I think they could all work really well.
@Running - I'm not sure if we're really focusing on cats being killed by others right now, I think we're more focusing on the internal clan conflicts (power struggles, tension, disagreements) right now, but I could be wrong.
@Running - I'm not sure if we're really focusing on cats being killed by others right now, I think we're more focusing on the internal clan conflicts (power struggles, tension, disagreements) right now, but I could be wrong.
Just realized (after reading Kingfish' shocking photo of crimes) that Kingfish has essentially been doing what I suggested in terms of NightClan alternatives to spying, in terms to the kidnap and torture. This would just be another advancement along that front, I suppose, in which more of the clan would begin to take part in these activities - officially.
I say Poppystar should be killed, one way or another. I know of a few cats in NightClan that have been plotting against her. However, if Alienfish's idea were to happen, I wouldn't have a problem with her retiring instead.
Yay for new thread.
@Alienfish
Violent situation: MC vs DC battle. Oriolestar could lose a few lives
@Alienfish
Violent situation: MC vs DC battle. Oriolestar could lose a few lives
I say for the Night Clan plot, Night Clan should try to barter an alliance with Sun Clan for their warriors back, and for Moon Clan's peace or party if the territory for theirs. The outcome can be up for debate, but that's my idea.
I ultimately would like Aspenstar to reach the age of an elder, and that should be something I'd like not to change. However, he may loose lives , but not just randomly. I try to single out live loosing , having him kill at least one cat before loosing lives. Its just a personal rule of mine, as lives are lives.
Overall, I do think that we should focus on the wellbeing of the clans. I wouldn't like Kingfish though just randomly coming into the territory so easily and taking cats so easily and quickly. It deems unrealistic to me that one cat continually comes in and gets away with it every time. That's why Nightclan should all be invovled, but not always succeed. I also think it might be a good idea if in the future, Moonclan and Sunclan form an alliance, going against Nightclan for their crimes. I intentionally had the idea though for Aspenstar to retire, but die off from injuries when he insists on helping in future battles, which Im sure will happen. Does the idea of Moonclan and Sunclan going against Nightclan sound like something you guys would like?
Overall, I do think that we should focus on the wellbeing of the clans. I wouldn't like Kingfish though just randomly coming into the territory so easily and taking cats so easily and quickly. It deems unrealistic to me that one cat continually comes in and gets away with it every time. That's why Nightclan should all be invovled, but not always succeed. I also think it might be a good idea if in the future, Moonclan and Sunclan form an alliance, going against Nightclan for their crimes. I intentionally had the idea though for Aspenstar to retire, but die off from injuries when he insists on helping in future battles, which Im sure will happen. Does the idea of Moonclan and Sunclan going against Nightclan sound like something you guys would like?
I think that MoonClan and SunClan could easily cooperate. They've agreed on several points in the past, and what their clans want seems to be relatively similar. As well, they seem to be the two most stable clans at the moment, as NightClan descends into near-anarchy and DawnClan... well, that place is just a political mess at the moment. I can't imagine any other pair of clans making an alliance right now, so I agree with Spicy on the possibility of an alliance between SunClan and MoonClan.
All my eggs are in one basket for this plot group, so I'll only be commenting on DawnClan's role in all of this.
I think the intention is to push DawnClan's support towards the nationalists, ultimately seeing them rise to power. In this case, I think an exodus of cats from DawnClan would help them, and would be a reason for them to insist on barring any further immigration because there are less mouths to feed and those who stayed are truly loyal cats willing to build DawnClan back to its former greatness.
As for how the skirmish will turn into a full blown battle, it'd likely be beneficial for a MoonClan warrior to die, since that would give Aspenstar incentive to actually order an attack.
I think the intention is to push DawnClan's support towards the nationalists, ultimately seeing them rise to power. In this case, I think an exodus of cats from DawnClan would help them, and would be a reason for them to insist on barring any further immigration because there are less mouths to feed and those who stayed are truly loyal cats willing to build DawnClan back to its former greatness.
As for how the skirmish will turn into a full blown battle, it'd likely be beneficial for a MoonClan warrior to die, since that would give Aspenstar incentive to actually order an attack.
I did not think of that possible effect of the exodus, but I agree, that's a much more simplified route towards Nationalist domination.
The only reason Kingfish had gotten away each time, Spicy, is because a few people agreed to let me capture their cats, which ended up being now than I expected. While I was trying to start drama, a lot of people agreed to it, so I went along. In the last Moon Clan attack, I would have had him chased off, except spotted wanted Faded to be captured.
For the battle, how are we going to do with the MoonClan spies? Will they have to fight MoonClan or stay back and gaurd camp, or...?
Alienfish says...
I think that MoonClan and SunClan could easily cooperate. They've agreed on several points in the past, and what their clans want seems to be relatively similar. As well, they seem to be the two most stable clans at the moment, as NightClan descends into near-anarchy and DawnClan... well, that place is just a political mess at the moment. I can't imagine any other pair of clans making an alliance right now, so I agree with Spicy on the possibility of an alliance between SunClan and MoonClan.
I agree with the MC-SC alliance, though I think we should probably solidify SunClan's leadership (Making Icedawn officially leader, appointing a deputy) before they start trying to alliance with each other.
I agree, River. Finalizing that leadership is important for getting SunClan moving forward clearly.
I?m leaning against the idea of an alliance between MoonClan and SunClan, so that there will be more competition between the clans. If the first batch of hostages is easily won back, it?s unlikely anyone else would capture more. Which, if that?s what y?all want to do, is fine.
I think it would be more interesting if we had NightClan grow more and more unstable, rather than going back toward a more peaceful, traditional clan lifestyle. As for Poppystar?s death, we can have her own policies turn against her, possibly by having her clanmates murder her themselves for being cowardly? This could scare Hattori away from making any sudden shifts back to the normal code, and instead he can struggle to slowly transition his clan back to their former norms.
I like the idea of having NightClanners sending out torturers!
In SunClan, it?ll take me a few days to get the next deputy set up, but once I have we can move forward with naming Icedawn as a leader. I agree that she should be pressured into it by the head warriors and other senior warriors, since it would be odd if she suddenly changed her mind after waiting so long.
I agree that it?s unrealistic for NightClan to be getting away with things all the time. They should be causing trouble, but they shouldn?t be coming out on top all the time?any skirmishes they start should have injuries or deaths on their side, as well as their victims?. King, maybe you can have Kingfish head out with a group, and have some of his accomplices get hurt, if you don?t want him to be injured? If you?d like, they can fail to capture one of my characters.
Runningwish, I don?t think we want to complicate things too much by adding violence stemming from outside the clan.
Mallowfoot, I think the spies would just try to slip out. That could arouse some suspicion over their loyalties, which can lead to them later being discovered?
As for alliances as a whole, I?d personally prefer if we stayed away from them, but I?ll admit that?s almost entirely personal taste. We haven?t had a plot with a lot of isolation in the past and I think the lack of interaction between the clans is what?s driving a lot of the unrest. If we do go with alliances, we should keep them very short-lived.
I think it would be more interesting if we had NightClan grow more and more unstable, rather than going back toward a more peaceful, traditional clan lifestyle. As for Poppystar?s death, we can have her own policies turn against her, possibly by having her clanmates murder her themselves for being cowardly? This could scare Hattori away from making any sudden shifts back to the normal code, and instead he can struggle to slowly transition his clan back to their former norms.
I like the idea of having NightClanners sending out torturers!
In SunClan, it?ll take me a few days to get the next deputy set up, but once I have we can move forward with naming Icedawn as a leader. I agree that she should be pressured into it by the head warriors and other senior warriors, since it would be odd if she suddenly changed her mind after waiting so long.
I agree that it?s unrealistic for NightClan to be getting away with things all the time. They should be causing trouble, but they shouldn?t be coming out on top all the time?any skirmishes they start should have injuries or deaths on their side, as well as their victims?. King, maybe you can have Kingfish head out with a group, and have some of his accomplices get hurt, if you don?t want him to be injured? If you?d like, they can fail to capture one of my characters.
Runningwish, I don?t think we want to complicate things too much by adding violence stemming from outside the clan.
Mallowfoot, I think the spies would just try to slip out. That could arouse some suspicion over their loyalties, which can lead to them later being discovered?
As for alliances as a whole, I?d personally prefer if we stayed away from them, but I?ll admit that?s almost entirely personal taste. We haven?t had a plot with a lot of isolation in the past and I think the lack of interaction between the clans is what?s driving a lot of the unrest. If we do go with alliances, we should keep them very short-lived.
I like the idea of keeping the clans isolated, since it fosters distrust and chaos and therefore makes it easier for clans like NightClan to get away with torturing and murder without getting ganged up on and beaten down right away.
I think it would be beneficial to start having the nationalists in DawnClan become more organized. Right now they're just some outspoken cats who agree on basic principles, but it could start turning into more of a movement considering the lack of results they've managed to get from Oriolestar and Amberflame. Just as a few examples, they could start developing a hierarchy of their own and they could create their own systems for clan protocol, such as they decide who to give the prey they caught to, and thus keep nationalist hunted food from going to "outsiders" and "freeloaders". Basically a message to the traditionalists: You want to keep them, you feed them.
This would put even more pressure on the traditionalists to use uncommon means of obtaining prey such as crossing borders and heading out into loner territory or taking food from two-legs.
This would put even more pressure on the traditionalists to use uncommon means of obtaining prey such as crossing borders and heading out into loner territory or taking food from two-legs.
Killerqueen did die in the last raid King attempted, though I think I could get him to lead bigger groups with more possibilities of them getting hurt/killed. As for failing to capture one of you characters, it sounds like a good plan! Just let me know which character and when we can do this, and I'll try to get everything else on board.
Scarletflame (NC) is willing to cause some trouble, or a lot, and she can get hurt if you want, just not die.
Covepaw is also in the loner forest getting into some twoleg food as was discussed before, and he can deliver the news of the food back to some other DawnClan apprentices.
Covepaw is also in the loner forest getting into some twoleg food as was discussed before, and he can deliver the news of the food back to some other DawnClan apprentices.
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