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Now that the flooding arc has drawn to a close, it’s time to start considering where we want to carry the war from here. MoonClan and NightClan are loosely allied, as are SunClan and DawnClan, but where do we want the source of their next battle to come from?
We can continue to feed off of the assassin plot, possibly, if cats continue to go missing from border patrols and such, or we can start something new, possibly escalated border skirmishes, drama at a gathering, etc.
In the last plot planning page, we considered having apprentices continue meeting at the gathering clearing and eventually being found out by their leaders.
What do y’all think should happen?
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I think the apprentices continuing to meet is a great idea. Perhaps we have 1-2 apprentices from a specific clan sneak around to the other camps and tell their friends the plan to meet at the clearing? Alternatively, we could have apprentices suggesting this to their friends at the next gathering. If we have their meetings continuing for a while, then perhaps, as time passes, they begin to become more organized, and form a pseudo-clan, with self-imposed leadership, medicine cat apprentices, training of younger members, etcetera; all this with the aim of being prepared for the presumed apocalypse that could come from this growing war?
I also think that we should continue to feed off of the Assassination plot, although I strongly suggest that more assassins are gathered. In addition to that, the idea which was being developed upon earlier, ie. the formation of two separate groups, should definitely be built upon. If these two groups seemed to fall along clan lines, then their attacks, and presumably their "War of Assassins", could be what provokes further conflict between the clans, who blame each other for the assassinations, as they were doing before.
I also think that we should continue to feed off of the Assassination plot, although I strongly suggest that more assassins are gathered. In addition to that, the idea which was being developed upon earlier, ie. the formation of two separate groups, should definitely be built upon. If these two groups seemed to fall along clan lines, then their attacks, and presumably their "War of Assassins", could be what provokes further conflict between the clans, who blame each other for the assassinations, as they were doing before.
I do think Command has a good point. I say we have a difference of opinions and maybe more people start agreeing with the assassins? Somewhat a separation of power. Like maybe cats begin turning on each other and then you have Assassins VS Clans.
Good point Whisper, we do need the Assassins to be on par with the Clans in order for any battle to be meaningful.
What if this group of multi-clanned apprentices, after growing to such a large scale, begin gaining real positions of power within the clans, such as deputy/medicine cat? They begin to get delusions about uniting the clans and fulfilling Moonstar's purpose of "Leading a United Forest". However, when searching for more cats to support them in their slow takeover of the clans, they hire the assassins without knowing of their evil deeds. The assassins then take over this noble cause (Or at least tarnish its good name, and make the cats wary of any one trying to unite the clans). This way we would be able to vilify the movement to unite the clans, and tie the multiple sub-plots together cohesively.
Finally, those who remain loyal to the clans fight this now enormous group of many-clanned apprentices, assassins, and their allies (Perhaps a few gang-cats too?). Of course the clans would have to win.
What if this group of multi-clanned apprentices, after growing to such a large scale, begin gaining real positions of power within the clans, such as deputy/medicine cat? They begin to get delusions about uniting the clans and fulfilling Moonstar's purpose of "Leading a United Forest". However, when searching for more cats to support them in their slow takeover of the clans, they hire the assassins without knowing of their evil deeds. The assassins then take over this noble cause (Or at least tarnish its good name, and make the cats wary of any one trying to unite the clans). This way we would be able to vilify the movement to unite the clans, and tie the multiple sub-plots together cohesively.
Finally, those who remain loyal to the clans fight this now enormous group of many-clanned apprentices, assassins, and their allies (Perhaps a few gang-cats too?). Of course the clans would have to win.
I think it would be an interesting idea for the assassins to try and get greedy at times and try to take out higher ups to replace them with who they want to lead.
I don't know how easy it would be to combine the cats who want to live free of clans and the assassins. The assassins (if they continued to murder) would get caught sooner rather than later now that all the clans are separated and everything is far more organized than it was at the barn. Plus, the assassins stated goal (from the last plot planning page) was to return the clans to their normal states, so they would have completely conflicting ideologies. Maybe the assassins taking out higher ups could aid with members of a group who wanted to unify a clan getting into those positions, but I can't see those two groups effectively, or knowingly, working together.
I'm imagining that, with the clans now separated, and more assassins required in order for the group to have any real influence, then the influx of new cats being recruited might cause the general aspirations of the group to change. Many cats want power, so presumably some might join and try to use the assassins as a means for gaining power. (Also, I thought that some of the assassins simply wanted to destroy the clans/a specific clan.)
I don't presume that the clan-uniters and the assassins would ever have similar ideology, but they may try and use each other to reach their end goals. An unstable alliance, where at least one party has to fail for the other to succeed.
I don't presume that the clan-uniters and the assassins would ever have similar ideology, but they may try and use each other to reach their end goals. An unstable alliance, where at least one party has to fail for the other to succeed.
I love the idea of apprentices meeting! Especially with my abundance of apprentices and older kits :3
Honestly I like whispers idea. The assassins could reveal themselves at some point and we could have a huge civi war on our hands. And maybe the could try to recruit the cats who are mostly shunned by the clans as well
I feel like Sirensong's real father, Blood. Should come back and kill some clanmates and get revenge on Sirensong
I support the idea of the apprentices meeting, and the several different ways in which the message could be shared between the apprentices as suggested by Commandosaur.
Although, I'm going to play devil's advocate for the Assassin plot. It just doesn't seem meaty enough to have it as a part of the main plot. Firstly, there are not many Assassins remaining and the alliances formed between them didn't really survive the split (At least from what I've seen, feel free to correct me!). Although more assassins could technically be gathered, I don't think its realistic to ask cats who have only just returned to a normalized state to disrupt the peace and kill higher up cats. Next, what would their goal be? As stated by Lion, their goal to return the clans to their normal states has already been achieved.
Secondly, the idea of killing off cats discretely has been used so frequently in the recent arc and pre-arc, I don't think it should be used again right away. The barn Assassinations were great to kick off tension, right now however, it doesn't seem necessary and I'd rather see something new happen.
Alright I don't think my devil's advocating was that great but here it is anyway!
Although, I'm going to play devil's advocate for the Assassin plot. It just doesn't seem meaty enough to have it as a part of the main plot. Firstly, there are not many Assassins remaining and the alliances formed between them didn't really survive the split (At least from what I've seen, feel free to correct me!). Although more assassins could technically be gathered, I don't think its realistic to ask cats who have only just returned to a normalized state to disrupt the peace and kill higher up cats. Next, what would their goal be? As stated by Lion, their goal to return the clans to their normal states has already been achieved.
Secondly, the idea of killing off cats discretely has been used so frequently in the recent arc and pre-arc, I don't think it should be used again right away. The barn Assassinations were great to kick off tension, right now however, it doesn't seem necessary and I'd rather see something new happen.
Alright I don't think my devil's advocating was that great but here it is anyway!
I think your devil's advocation was done extremely well - I'm now in support of doing away with the assassin plot's importance, especially the "Continuously killing off cats" part. It's good that we still have the assassins, who can be important to the plot later on, but we should definitely let something new take charge.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of more assassin stuff. I feel like we should just have some relative peace for once XD
And wouldn't new recruitment for the assassins be tough in the first place? I doubt many would join the few Warriors who practically got a lot of there family members and fellow clanmates killed in the battle.
I have an idea.
What if a group of cats, maybe 1 or 2 from each clan start meeting. These cats want war though, they need to want blood shed, like bloodthirsty cats. They talk about what rumors they should spreed or what cats should go down. When they head back to the camps they talk as though cats along boarders were saying that they were going to battle the other clans, but still keeping alliances between M&N and S&D clans. This starts getting around, that Moonclan and Nightclan are challenging Sunclan and Dawnclan but M&N think that S&D are challenging them. Soon a battle unravels among almost all of the cats just to save their own clan. But then the group of cats show them selves and all of the clans work together to exile/kill/force out of the clans with anyone who was following them.
What if a group of cats, maybe 1 or 2 from each clan start meeting. These cats want war though, they need to want blood shed, like bloodthirsty cats. They talk about what rumors they should spreed or what cats should go down. When they head back to the camps they talk as though cats along boarders were saying that they were going to battle the other clans, but still keeping alliances between M&N and S&D clans. This starts getting around, that Moonclan and Nightclan are challenging Sunclan and Dawnclan but M&N think that S&D are challenging them. Soon a battle unravels among almost all of the cats just to save their own clan. But then the group of cats show them selves and all of the clans work together to exile/kill/force out of the clans with anyone who was following them.
I don't think there's a large enough group of bloodthirsty cats between all of the clans who would somehow run into each other, and want to start a war. Plus, what would their motives be?
The only characters who really have a reason to meet would be the ones who became friends with cats from other clans (so mostly the kits and apprentices) and they wouldn't want to see the clans at war because it would endanger the lives' of their friends.
I think it'd be alright to give the actual war a rest for a while. We've had a lot of plots that revolved around rash moves and rumored attacks. Perhaps the leaders can try something a little more diplomatic, rather than allowing the clans to fall back into war right away.
The only characters who really have a reason to meet would be the ones who became friends with cats from other clans (so mostly the kits and apprentices) and they wouldn't want to see the clans at war because it would endanger the lives' of their friends.
I think it'd be alright to give the actual war a rest for a while. We've had a lot of plots that revolved around rash moves and rumored attacks. Perhaps the leaders can try something a little more diplomatic, rather than allowing the clans to fall back into war right away.
Isolation, perhaps? All of the leaders could decide that, based upon recent events at the barn, it was best to keep their clans separate, preventing arguments and eventual conflicts. I think that Coldstar, Epochstar, Locuststar and Rosestar could all agree to that point, although I don't know them as well as their owners do. This separation could also allow for the discovery of the gathering apprentices to have that much more gravity, as it was in contravention of the regulations set out to keep the clans at peace.
IF we planned to move into another war, we could then have some clans accusing others of not being attentive enough to the actions of their apprentices/kits. However, we don't have to if we want to keep the clans at peace for a longer period of time.
IF we planned to move into another war, we could then have some clans accusing others of not being attentive enough to the actions of their apprentices/kits. However, we don't have to if we want to keep the clans at peace for a longer period of time.
I?m borrowing from a few ideas for this one, how about instead of using assassins acting secretly to build tensions, we could have a group of cats in favor of uniting the clans permanently? They can point to the number of problems that have come from clans having to share resources and fighting over simple identity and argue that by uniting, they would not get into bloody conflicts so easily and would be able to better defend themselves against gangs and other threats, as well as have a safety net in regards to resources since they have four distinct territory types.
The leaders, in response to this, could move forward into Commandosaur?s idea of isolation between them in order to discourage cats from meeting up with each other and further blurring clan boundaries?
The leaders, in response to this, could move forward into Commandosaur?s idea of isolation between them in order to discourage cats from meeting up with each other and further blurring clan boundaries?
I think that would be a great idea - When you referred to a group of uniters at the beginning, were you thinking of the "apprentices who meet regularly at the gathering" idea or something new?
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