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Hello everyone! If you aren’t up to date on what we have planned for the roleplay over the next little while, please check out the Planned Events Section of The History Page.
While the recent log-in glitch set us behind, we’re still on track to have the battle start this weekend. I currently have an EarthClan patrol going to steal food from SunClan’s territory, which as planned should prompt Desolatestar to call in MoonClan and go forward with the attack. EarthClan will win this battle by splitting up the attackers and ambushing them, but we haven’t decided what should happen following EarthClan’s victory and if y’all agree, that’s where we should focus most of our attention during this plot planning discussion.
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Question: If they go back to being DawnClan and NightClan, which would Foxstar be the leader of? NightClan? Or would we get new leaders?
Gingerheart says...
Question: If they go back to being DawnClan and NightClan, which would Foxstar be the leader of? NightClan? Or would we get new leaders?
He would probably lead his blood born clan, being NightClan. DawnClan would be the only one in need of a leader.
Mockingdeath & Co. says...
You have to remember not all NightClan/DawnClan cats are still happy about the merge. If anything it's like the DawnClan Nationalists and such. The rebels could easily sway the hearts and minds of those on the fence about what they want, therefore turning the tables on EarthClan. With more cats siding with the NC Rebels it could Coppell the DC cats on the fence to seek out aid from the DC Rebels, successfully tearing EarthClan back to its former two clans.
Oh and not to mention in all actuality, SC, MC and the rebels could easily through the tables on EC. The sheer numbers of "working" cats far exceeds the number of "working" cats in EC. So if another battle is to happen, or future battles, the only way it would make sense for EC to win every time is to make sure MC and SC are constantly struck by misfortune plagues, droughts, sickness and animal attacks. Otherwise it would be very far fetched for EC to keep winning when the combined attacking numbers nearly double or triple their entire clan strength. Even with ambushes. The EC ambushing party is very feeble in numbers compared to the attacking parties.
Mocking I agree with you. Honestly, without the rabbit warren being gassed and the dog attack MC, SC and the rebels would have most likely won that battle.
I completely agree. Once SC and MC recover from the warren being poisoned, the battle and the cats on that patrol that was attacked by dogs, they could probably cut EC in half. Just by how many cats they have. Maybe there could be a way to find which EC cats are still loyal to their former clans, but didn't leave due to not wanting to be loving, gor the most part, as loners? And perhaps those cats could maybe help try to regain what had been lost in the merge? But there is one thing that might make that tough. The cats that grew up in DC are getting older and those that may have been kits or apprentices when the merge came into play may not really remember much other than the clans being together.
However, that does not mean that there isn't a chance they may try to go back to their roots in their former clans, or even the clans of their parents. That is, of cpurse, those with only DC or NC roots. Those that are of mixed blood may not know where to go, just due to them being of both DC and NC blood, if the clans were to be recovered.
I am all for NC and DC, I am just tossing around some ideas and some pros and cons about if it were to split back up. I hope this all makes some sense. *~*
However, that does not mean that there isn't a chance they may try to go back to their roots in their former clans, or even the clans of their parents. That is, of cpurse, those with only DC or NC roots. Those that are of mixed blood may not know where to go, just due to them being of both DC and NC blood, if the clans were to be recovered.
I am all for NC and DC, I am just tossing around some ideas and some pros and cons about if it were to split back up. I hope this all makes some sense. *~*
My vote goes for separation into NightClan and DawnClan. The NightClan rebels could pitch the reformation of their clan to MoonClan and SunClan, who decide it is best for clan stability to return to how things used to be, and then, following a long series of battles, could defeat EarthClan handily enough that they can force them to divide. To ensure that the clans are stable and that they don't become a threat, MoonClan and SunClan could send warriors of their own to bulk up the ranks of NightClan and DawnClan. Possibly, they could appoint (in-story) the leaders for the clans, and maybe choose members from their own clans for those roles. This could lead many ways - a revolt by the oppressed clans to regain control, a sense of having been betrayed from the NightClan rebels, animosity between MoonClan and SunClan as they feel one side is offering too much support to NightClan and DawnClan (and thereby corrupting the idea of those clans being neutral).
It seems to me that there are plenty of possibilities if we return to NightClan and DawnClan; opportunities which would not have been there if we had not had EarthClan. So, perhaps this is more of a 'one step backward, two steps foreward' situation'.
It seems to me that there are plenty of possibilities if we return to NightClan and DawnClan; opportunities which would not have been there if we had not had EarthClan. So, perhaps this is more of a 'one step backward, two steps foreward' situation'.
For Silver's mention of the mix blood cats, they could always stay with what ever clan best first their ideals and traits.
As for Aliens idea, I think it is great. If SC and MC and the Rebels all help restore NC and DC, it opens up a ton of possibilities for different plots.
As for Aliens idea, I think it is great. If SC and MC and the Rebels all help restore NC and DC, it opens up a ton of possibilities for different plots.
There is one major issue with what I proposed, and that's Foxstar. I doubt that the NightClan rebels would want to give up their independence to the leader of the clan they very explicitly rebelled against. Likewise, I'm not sure if Foxstar would like being a pawn of MoonClan and SunClan. Additionally, a major reason for EarthClan's formation was gaining access to better territory, the territory which DawnClan offers. Makes me think he might be better going to DawnClan. Which would you lean towards, Gingerheart?
(Post 1/2)
Okay, the vote is in favor of the old clans right now, but still so close I don't think we should call it one way or another until more members speak up. Here's where it is,
New clan (7): myself, Gingerheart, Spirit, Kingfish, Jay, Snowbreeze, Pallet
Old clans (8): Henry, Flicker, Blossom, Honeyy, Spot, Shade, Mocking, Alienfish
I'll summarize the points on both sides below. Both have the bonus of giving us four clans again, which leads to longer-lasting and more logical wars than the current three-clan combination.
Mocking, it seems like you might have misunderstood-- even if EarthClan does survive, it will be pushed into either DawnClan or NightClan territory and will ultimately lose this war. What we're discussing is whether they will live on as an ordinarly sized clan and another new clan will be put in place, or will be split apart.
EarthClan+New Clan:
-Setting up the new clans could be fun and would give us an opportunity to fix some of the problems with the old clans, such as how DawnClan, as the most well-fed and least inclined to fight, didn't just give into the other clans' bullying.
-Setting up the new clans won't actually be that difficult, as most of the work will be in re-labeling. Much of the old guides will remain the same, as they have to do with territory and such.
-Not that much will actually change, as so much of the clans' personalities are determined by their environment, and the territories will remain pretty much the same. It's likely that whoever resides in DawnClan's territory will lead "softer" lives than the other clans, and those who reside in NightClan's territory will take on the gang-like attitudes of the surrounding cats and tend more violent.
-We wouldn't have to worry about splitting EarthClan up into NC and DC, considering that so many cats don't fit clearly into both. As well, EarthClan is the size of one clan, so both NC and DC would end up being initially very small
-There have been plenty of complaints in the past about our plots following the same basic pattern, this is something new. As Honeyy pointed out, if we go right back to the way things were before, this EarthClan plot could be considered something of a wasted opportunity.
-This website was never intended to have stagnant clans and this is the first opportunity we've had in a long time to change the clans. It's unlikely we're going to have this opportunity again, at least anytime soon.
-The current clan names don't make all that much sense together. That is, Night-Dawn is a rather odd combination, rather than Dawn-Dusk or Night-Day. Having Earth-Sun-Moon works well, then the fourth clan could be something like SkyClan or EclipseClan to complete the theme.
Return to Old Clans:
-The old clans were well balanced and the website is already set-up for them, so we wouldn't need to go through all the work of setting up new ones, which would likely be work and time-intensive.
-NC and DC have been staples of the website for so long, it would be disorienting for a change to be made.
-As clans take on the personalities of their surroundings, the change would ultimately just be in name. That's a lot of work for nothing.
-It's fairly easy to make criteria for splitting up the EarthClanners: DawnClanners and NightClanners to their clan of birth, EarthClan-born cats to the clan of their mother, cats who joined from outside would be split in half by what their owners want.
-While EarthClan is the size of one clan right now, when it is separated out into two clans, those clans should return to normal sizes relatively quickly.
-This was our original goal.
Okay, the vote is in favor of the old clans right now, but still so close I don't think we should call it one way or another until more members speak up. Here's where it is,
New clan (7): myself, Gingerheart, Spirit, Kingfish, Jay, Snowbreeze, Pallet
Old clans (8): Henry, Flicker, Blossom, Honeyy, Spot, Shade, Mocking, Alienfish
I'll summarize the points on both sides below. Both have the bonus of giving us four clans again, which leads to longer-lasting and more logical wars than the current three-clan combination.
Mocking, it seems like you might have misunderstood-- even if EarthClan does survive, it will be pushed into either DawnClan or NightClan territory and will ultimately lose this war. What we're discussing is whether they will live on as an ordinarly sized clan and another new clan will be put in place, or will be split apart.
EarthClan+New Clan:
-Setting up the new clans could be fun and would give us an opportunity to fix some of the problems with the old clans, such as how DawnClan, as the most well-fed and least inclined to fight, didn't just give into the other clans' bullying.
-Setting up the new clans won't actually be that difficult, as most of the work will be in re-labeling. Much of the old guides will remain the same, as they have to do with territory and such.
-Not that much will actually change, as so much of the clans' personalities are determined by their environment, and the territories will remain pretty much the same. It's likely that whoever resides in DawnClan's territory will lead "softer" lives than the other clans, and those who reside in NightClan's territory will take on the gang-like attitudes of the surrounding cats and tend more violent.
-We wouldn't have to worry about splitting EarthClan up into NC and DC, considering that so many cats don't fit clearly into both. As well, EarthClan is the size of one clan, so both NC and DC would end up being initially very small
-There have been plenty of complaints in the past about our plots following the same basic pattern, this is something new. As Honeyy pointed out, if we go right back to the way things were before, this EarthClan plot could be considered something of a wasted opportunity.
-This website was never intended to have stagnant clans and this is the first opportunity we've had in a long time to change the clans. It's unlikely we're going to have this opportunity again, at least anytime soon.
-The current clan names don't make all that much sense together. That is, Night-Dawn is a rather odd combination, rather than Dawn-Dusk or Night-Day. Having Earth-Sun-Moon works well, then the fourth clan could be something like SkyClan or EclipseClan to complete the theme.
Return to Old Clans:
-The old clans were well balanced and the website is already set-up for them, so we wouldn't need to go through all the work of setting up new ones, which would likely be work and time-intensive.
-NC and DC have been staples of the website for so long, it would be disorienting for a change to be made.
-As clans take on the personalities of their surroundings, the change would ultimately just be in name. That's a lot of work for nothing.
-It's fairly easy to make criteria for splitting up the EarthClanners: DawnClanners and NightClanners to their clan of birth, EarthClan-born cats to the clan of their mother, cats who joined from outside would be split in half by what their owners want.
-While EarthClan is the size of one clan right now, when it is separated out into two clans, those clans should return to normal sizes relatively quickly.
-This was our original goal.
(Post 2/2)
In-game points to consider:
-What is MoonClan and SunClan's ultimate goal? Is it to return the clans to what exactly existed before, or is it to simply return the clans to a status quo insofar as there are four clans within the former boundaries.
-The EarthClan division will be painful, does Moon/Sun have the modivation to see that all the way through, or will shoving EarthClan into one territory and rewarding the rebels with the other territory be an acceptable and easier option. However, that EarthClan division isn't impossible, as MoonClan and SunClan are, combined, more than double the size of EarthClan. Therefore, if they are committed to the idea of having the former clans back again, they can do it.
-Many DawnClanners and NightClanners reluctantly joined EarthClan and will accept being split apart. The fight will be over their territory, not their identity.
-Plot-wise, there are plenty of ways to go with either. MoonClan and SunClan will be heavily involved in the seperation of EarthClan, or, alternatively, in the creation of the new clan. There are going to be intraclan fights about identity regardless and we never seem to run out of opporunities to start new wars.
If EarthClan falls, I think Foxstar will ultimately have to fall with it. It's unrealistic that the other leaders would accept his rule, even if it was over NightClan. If we decide to return to NC/DC rather than sticking with EC/New Clan, the transition will take a while, and Foxstar will have been given a fair few months in charge.
In-game points to consider:
-What is MoonClan and SunClan's ultimate goal? Is it to return the clans to what exactly existed before, or is it to simply return the clans to a status quo insofar as there are four clans within the former boundaries.
-The EarthClan division will be painful, does Moon/Sun have the modivation to see that all the way through, or will shoving EarthClan into one territory and rewarding the rebels with the other territory be an acceptable and easier option. However, that EarthClan division isn't impossible, as MoonClan and SunClan are, combined, more than double the size of EarthClan. Therefore, if they are committed to the idea of having the former clans back again, they can do it.
-Many DawnClanners and NightClanners reluctantly joined EarthClan and will accept being split apart. The fight will be over their territory, not their identity.
-Plot-wise, there are plenty of ways to go with either. MoonClan and SunClan will be heavily involved in the seperation of EarthClan, or, alternatively, in the creation of the new clan. There are going to be intraclan fights about identity regardless and we never seem to run out of opporunities to start new wars.
If EarthClan falls, I think Foxstar will ultimately have to fall with it. It's unrealistic that the other leaders would accept his rule, even if it was over NightClan. If we decide to return to NC/DC rather than sticking with EC/New Clan, the transition will take a while, and Foxstar will have been given a fair few months in charge.
I vote to have EarthClan stay. If it is divided I will have Shadowhawk be laid to rest
I'm probably a bit out of the loop, but from what I've read here, I have a few comments:
First of all, I think either option regarding EarthClan's split would present a multitude of possibilities, it just depends on which possibilities we're more interested in at the moment.
Pertaining to the problem of low population in the re-formed NC and DC, or in the new clan, I don't think it would be much of a problem in the end. From the interest displayed here in both options, I think there'd be enough enthusiasm about a new clan to fill it up quickly, or enough support to re-populate NC and DC.
I definitely agree with this statement from Ember: -This website was never intended to have stagnant clans and this is the first opportunity we've had in a long time to change the clans. It's unlikely we're going to have this opportunity again, at least anytime soon. // If we want to take advantage of said opportunity, now would be the perfect time to do so. We always do have the solid basis of DC and NC to fall back on, if things go wrong, so the risk would probably be worth taking to see if we could take things in a new direction.
As for this statement: -As clans take on the personalities of their surroundings, the change would ultimately just be in name. That's a lot of work for nothing. // Yes, I agree that environment largely influences the personalities of the clans, but leadership does as well. If we had strong, unique leadership in this clan, and members were well aware of our intentions for this new clan, I think it would certainly be possible to shape a clan with a new personality.
And finally, relating to the possibility of a new clan, and what that clan's new personality could be, here's a rushed idea to contribute something:
This new clan, sick of all the war and conflict of the clans, could try to have a grounding of peace and stability, of sorts, though not in the kind, family-like way of DawnClan. They could act as firmly unbiased peacekeepers, with a rather strict and serious nature, and generally high expectations.
As for my personal preference, I don't have much of an opinion, but you can put my vote down for a new clan. I feel like there might be some wasted potential there if we turned such an opportunity down.
First of all, I think either option regarding EarthClan's split would present a multitude of possibilities, it just depends on which possibilities we're more interested in at the moment.
Pertaining to the problem of low population in the re-formed NC and DC, or in the new clan, I don't think it would be much of a problem in the end. From the interest displayed here in both options, I think there'd be enough enthusiasm about a new clan to fill it up quickly, or enough support to re-populate NC and DC.
I definitely agree with this statement from Ember: -This website was never intended to have stagnant clans and this is the first opportunity we've had in a long time to change the clans. It's unlikely we're going to have this opportunity again, at least anytime soon. // If we want to take advantage of said opportunity, now would be the perfect time to do so. We always do have the solid basis of DC and NC to fall back on, if things go wrong, so the risk would probably be worth taking to see if we could take things in a new direction.
As for this statement: -As clans take on the personalities of their surroundings, the change would ultimately just be in name. That's a lot of work for nothing. // Yes, I agree that environment largely influences the personalities of the clans, but leadership does as well. If we had strong, unique leadership in this clan, and members were well aware of our intentions for this new clan, I think it would certainly be possible to shape a clan with a new personality.
And finally, relating to the possibility of a new clan, and what that clan's new personality could be, here's a rushed idea to contribute something:
This new clan, sick of all the war and conflict of the clans, could try to have a grounding of peace and stability, of sorts, though not in the kind, family-like way of DawnClan. They could act as firmly unbiased peacekeepers, with a rather strict and serious nature, and generally high expectations.
As for my personal preference, I don't have much of an opinion, but you can put my vote down for a new clan. I feel like there might be some wasted potential there if we turned such an opportunity down.
I agree with River's idea for the new clan, and I like the idea that is put behind it that River gave.
I don't know. I really want a new Clan, but it would make a lot more sense if EarthClan divides. But, if we're going with the new Rebels Clan I have an idea how they can get more members.
I have been kinda out of the loop on putting in my word on the situation, so let me do this now lol. So my vote is for a new clan, as for a simple thing that bothers me. Plots. If we went back to the old clans, it would be a waste of time, quite bluntly. Making Earthclan, just to have it fall through this fast, would be a huge waste, especially when we have a lot more opportunities with future plots with the new clan. So, my vote is for the new clan.
My "vote", I suppose, is for earthclan to revert back to its original two clans
I am going to jump on the DC/NC bandwagon and vote for EC to split into the old clans.
Okay, just to make sure I haven't missed anyone's vote, here's where everyone stands so far:
New clan (12): myself, Gingerheart, Spirit, Kingfish, Jay, Snowbreeze, Pallet, Shadowtail, River, Kixatanilopay, Litten, Elm
Old clans (11): Henry, Flicker, Blossom, Honeyy, Spot, Shade, Mocking, Alienfish, Staghoove, Lunar, Silver
As I explained on the gathering blog entry, this vote will be drawn to an official vote on Thursday evening. Any votes after that won't count, so please speak up before then if you haven't yet. If the vote does end up as a tie, I will extend the deadline to Sunday. If by then the tie hasn't been resolved, we will default to returning to the old clans.
New clan (12): myself, Gingerheart, Spirit, Kingfish, Jay, Snowbreeze, Pallet, Shadowtail, River, Kixatanilopay, Litten, Elm
Old clans (11): Henry, Flicker, Blossom, Honeyy, Spot, Shade, Mocking, Alienfish, Staghoove, Lunar, Silver
As I explained on the gathering blog entry, this vote will be drawn to an official vote on Thursday evening. Any votes after that won't count, so please speak up before then if you haven't yet. If the vote does end up as a tie, I will extend the deadline to Sunday. If by then the tie hasn't been resolved, we will default to returning to the old clans.
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