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Hello everyone! If you aren’t up to date on what we have planned for the roleplay over the next little while, please check out the Planned Events Section of The History Page.
While the recent log-in glitch set us behind, we’re still on track to have the battle start this weekend. I currently have an EarthClan patrol going to steal food from SunClan’s territory, which as planned should prompt Desolatestar to call in MoonClan and go forward with the attack. EarthClan will win this battle by splitting up the attackers and ambushing them, but we haven’t decided what should happen following EarthClan’s victory and if y’all agree, that’s where we should focus most of our attention during this plot planning discussion.
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They haven't been set yet. After Foxstar ordered for patrols to scout the area and find the best places for the ambushes -since I don't know were the best places should be -no one did anything about it. Where would the best places be? I can have Foxstar set up the ambushes there immediately.
For the sake of clarity, it would be easiest to have them at well-known landmarks in the city. Possibly Raven's Fortress, Origam's Palace, and NightClan's Former Camp?
I agree with kingfish I think EC should hold some kits or apprentices hostage
Ember says...
Henry, I agree that should be the case if MoonClan and SunClan win so overwhelmingly that the EarthClanners are forced into submitting to whatever they want for the sake of saving their own lives. Which, if that's a direction we want to go into, that would be fine, but it seems like MoonClan and SunClan could also cut their own losses and meet them half-way. So, it really depends on what MoonClan and SunClan's priorities are. Mocking, Pallet (since Kaiserstar will be retiring before this comes to a head), where would you put your leaders as leaning? And those of you who haven't spoken up on the old vs. new clans, where do you think we should focus our efforts?
Ginger, yeah, they should.
Sorry for being so late to this plot planning first off, I've been in Kansas and this is my first time with access to something that isn't a phone.
My honest thought is that Mossbranch's efforts are going to be leading towards just making sure that EarthClan doesn't have all that territory. He would like another clan to be put in, but would prefer a new group to come in with maybe some EC cats instead of us just being basically EC cats, considering they may still try to work together with the original EC.
So far here's what the vote is, if we decide to go with a simple majority wins:
People for making a new clan: myself, Gingerheart, Spirit, Kingfish, Jay, Snowbreeze
People for seperating back into DC and NC: Henry
Everyone else who posted on here hasn't put a clear opinion, it would be great if y'all could clarify so I can make sure my count is accurate.
If we do go ahead with EarthClan holding hostages, we'll have to make them win another battle, since MoonClan and SunClan retreated without any further action being taken this time. We can have MoonClan and SunClan gather their forces and attack agian soon, maybe with the intent of pushing EarthClan into NightClan's former territory rather than splitting them apart?
People for making a new clan: myself, Gingerheart, Spirit, Kingfish, Jay, Snowbreeze
People for seperating back into DC and NC: Henry
Everyone else who posted on here hasn't put a clear opinion, it would be great if y'all could clarify so I can make sure my count is accurate.
If we do go ahead with EarthClan holding hostages, we'll have to make them win another battle, since MoonClan and SunClan retreated without any further action being taken this time. We can have MoonClan and SunClan gather their forces and attack agian soon, maybe with the intent of pushing EarthClan into NightClan's former territory rather than splitting them apart?
I am with the new clan idea.
And if we need any more hostages, I can offer Daisypaw from SunClan since she could cause quite the stir, considering that she is the adoptive daughter of the deputy in SunClan as well. Or I can offer another one of my SunClan apprentices, or a kit from MoonClan.
And another battle could be good if it was soon, considering that this one missed a lot of people, but a lot of cats were pretty badly injured in this past one.
And if we need any more hostages, I can offer Daisypaw from SunClan since she could cause quite the stir, considering that she is the adoptive daughter of the deputy in SunClan as well. Or I can offer another one of my SunClan apprentices, or a kit from MoonClan.
And another battle could be good if it was soon, considering that this one missed a lot of people, but a lot of cats were pretty badly injured in this past one.
If we end up making a new clan, will they end up in Dawnclans old territory then?
I never really liked the idea of EarthClan from the start, and the confusion of it at first was one of the things that pushed me to leave.
My vote goes for seperating EarthClan back into NightClan and DawnClan.
My vote goes for seperating EarthClan back into NightClan and DawnClan.
My vote goes for the separation of EarthClan back into NightClan and DawnClan.
Okay, Flicker and Blossom, I've got you both down for DC-NC, and Pallet down for EC-new clan.
Pallet, I don't think we should start planning who the hostages are, as we don't even know what the situation for the next battle will be, or who will win. I agree that there should be another battle, or rather that one is pretty much inevitable.
My thought is that MoonClan and SunClan can adjust their strategy to shoving EC into one of the territories, rather than going for their camp. NightClan's territory seems like the obvious choice to me, as MC and SC will likely feel safer with DawnClan's territory being left relatively uncontrolled for at time than NightClan's. NightClan's borders are thickly populated with violent gang cats, while most forest loners are not a threat. That isn't set in stone, though, so if I'm overlooking something, please speak up.
Pallet, I don't think we should start planning who the hostages are, as we don't even know what the situation for the next battle will be, or who will win. I agree that there should be another battle, or rather that one is pretty much inevitable.
My thought is that MoonClan and SunClan can adjust their strategy to shoving EC into one of the territories, rather than going for their camp. NightClan's territory seems like the obvious choice to me, as MC and SC will likely feel safer with DawnClan's territory being left relatively uncontrolled for at time than NightClan's. NightClan's borders are thickly populated with violent gang cats, while most forest loners are not a threat. That isn't set in stone, though, so if I'm overlooking something, please speak up.
I'm for splitting it back to Nightclan and Dawnclan. Becaause I feel like making a whole new clan would be difficult..but at the same time i feel like we just did all this for no reason. Also, so this next fight will be the fight that will break Earthclan up?
Not necessarily, I think it would actually make more sense if EarthClan fell as a series of smaller skirmishes followed by a final battle that pushes them out of the half of their territory that we decide to push them out of.
I realized that there's also a decent argument for pushing them away from NightClan: firstly, it would be easier to take it by segments, with the city block system. As well, since MC and SC have the NC rebels behind them, they could take the NC rebels' advice in how to hold onto NC's territory in EC's absence. (Also, in the event that we do decide to keep EC and make a new clan, this means that we wouldn't have a city clan with the name "EarthClan" which would make no sense.)
I realized that there's also a decent argument for pushing them away from NightClan: firstly, it would be easier to take it by segments, with the city block system. As well, since MC and SC have the NC rebels behind them, they could take the NC rebels' advice in how to hold onto NC's territory in EC's absence. (Also, in the event that we do decide to keep EC and make a new clan, this means that we wouldn't have a city clan with the name "EarthClan" which would make no sense.)
I think I'd prefer to have NC and DC split back up again, as I think it'd be very interesting if the Nightclan Rebels were able to take Nightclan back on it's own, and I missed a lot with Earthclan, since I was gone...I sorta enjoyed a lot of the 'evil' kittehs :T
Sorry I am late to this. But I have a couple thoughts.
If EarthClan Stays
1. The combined total of NC and DC decreased rapidly after they became EarthClan. They definitely don't need the whole of NC, DC AND part of SunClan's territory.
2. It would be more practical for them to settle in DC territory due to the healthy life style and prey. Less danger of two leg raids.
If NightClan and DawnClan Return
Personally I would prefer them to return to normal.
1. The NightClan rebels can succeed in regaining control of the Clan. DawnClan rebels could too, if they had more.
2. It would be less risky for the old way to return than possibly trying to start a new clan, create new traits have members interested for a month and then wind up disbanding it.
3. It seems like most of the members would prefer them returning to normal.
If EarthClan Stays
1. The combined total of NC and DC decreased rapidly after they became EarthClan. They definitely don't need the whole of NC, DC AND part of SunClan's territory.
2. It would be more practical for them to settle in DC territory due to the healthy life style and prey. Less danger of two leg raids.
If NightClan and DawnClan Return
Personally I would prefer them to return to normal.
1. The NightClan rebels can succeed in regaining control of the Clan. DawnClan rebels could too, if they had more.
2. It would be less risky for the old way to return than possibly trying to start a new clan, create new traits have members interested for a month and then wind up disbanding it.
3. It seems like most of the members would prefer them returning to normal.
Gah! Mocking you made such a convincing argument! I almost wish we could do both, but that doesn't seem like it'd work too well... we'd have to add new territory to the map, and although the rebels won't be exactly pleased with their former clan mates, it's much more likely that they'd try and take over Nightclan and Dawnclan than create a new clan. But at the same time, are there enough rebels to actually take over? I haven't done the math yet, but if I'm correct, there'll be too many Nightclan cats for the rebels to control. I could be wrong about that, but there certainly aren't enough Dawnclan rebels to take over Dawnclan alone, so maybe Moonclan or Sunclan could help both of the rebel groups to keep them from revolting and reforming Earthclan? I've been considering changing my vote if I think that the separation of Earthclan would work from an in roleplay point of view and if I think it'd make sense, because I really like both ideas, I just voted for the one that sounded like it'd actually make sense in the roleplay at the time.
Spirit and the gang says...
Gah! Mocking you made such a convincing argument! I almost wish we could do both, but that doesn't seem like it'd work too well... we'd have to add new territory to the map, and although the rebels won't be exactly pleased with their former clan mates, it's much more likely that they'd try and take over Nightclan and Dawnclan than create a new clan. But at the same time, are there enough rebels to actually take over? I haven't done the math yet, but if I'm correct, there'll be too many Nightclan cats for the rebels to control. I could be wrong about that, but there certainly aren't enough Dawnclan rebels to take over Dawnclan alone, so maybe Moonclan or Sunclan could help both of the rebel groups to keep them from revolting and reforming Earthclan? I've been considering changing my vote if I think that the separation of Earthclan would work from an in roleplay point of view and if I think it'd make sense, because I really like both ideas, I just voted for the one that sounded like it'd actually make sense in the roleplay at the time.
You have to remember not all NightClan/DawnClan cats are still happy about the merge. If anything it's like the DawnClan Nationalists and such. The rebels could easily sway the hearts and minds of those on the fence about what they want, therefore turning the tables on EarthClan. With more cats siding with the NC Rebels it could Coppell the DC cats on the fence to seek out aid from the DC Rebels, successfully tearing EarthClan back to its former two clans.
Oh and not to mention in all actuality, SC, MC and the rebels could easily through the tables on EC. The sheer numbers of "working" cats far exceeds the number of "working" cats in EC. So if another battle is to happen, or future battles, the only way it would make sense for EC to win every time is to make sure MC and SC are constantly struck by misfortune plagues, droughts, sickness and animal attacks. Otherwise it would be very far fetched for EC to keep winning when the combined attacking numbers nearly double or triple their entire clan strength. Even with ambushes. The EC ambushing party is very feeble in numbers compared to the attacking parties.
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