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Hello everyone! If you aren’t up to date on what we have planned for the roleplay over the next little while, please check out the Planned Events Section of The History Page.
While the recent log-in glitch set us behind, we’re still on track to have the battle start this weekend. I currently have an EarthClan patrol going to steal food from SunClan’s territory, which as planned should prompt Desolatestar to call in MoonClan and go forward with the attack. EarthClan will win this battle by splitting up the attackers and ambushing them, but we haven’t decided what should happen following EarthClan’s victory and if y’all agree, that’s where we should focus most of our attention during this plot planning discussion.
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Ginger, if you want to do some brainstorming that's fine, but it doesn't look like there's too much support behind that.
Nightsoul, we'll figure that out when we get there. Regardless of whether it'll be a truly new clan or just a return to the previous clans, the leader will be selected using the usual process.
Spirit, in-game, I don't know what that will look like. There aren't enough rebels for them to form the clan entirely, it would probably be more like them rejoining their former clan mates.
Personally, I've never quite liked the way that Night and Dawn work together, but DayClan sounds silly and I can never quite get my tongue around DuskClan. Earth-Sky sounds nice, but that is a canon clan so it should probably be avoid. Not liking the way things are named is a stupid reason to change the course of the site, of course, so it's more of a perk of going down a new direction rather than a reason not to return to the status quo. If y'all are worried about the time it would take to change the website over, I don't think that would be too big of a deal. I would just need to re-label some maps and such, not unlike what I did with EarthClan.
But, from an in-game perspective, I can't quite make it work in my mind that EarthClan would just accept being ripped apart again. We could perhaps force it if MoonClan and SunClan end up being extremely dominant, but there will inevitably be some lasting ties when cats born in EarthClan or who otherwise never lived in an independent DawnClan or NightClan are forced into a side. How will we figure that process out, in-game? Will they be allowed to just choose? (Out of game, of course, it will be up to the character's owner.) Would MoonClan and SunClan object to forcing EarthClan into one of the old territories and bolstering the establishment of a new fourth clan? That would end up with SC/MC potentially having a third clan supporter and one unfriendly clan, rather than them against two unhappy clans who still feel like one entity with a few former rebels who raised their claws against them thrown into the mix. However, there really is no way to get across the awkwardness of joining back with the rebels, so the cats will have to deal with that one either way.
My sleep-deprived rambling's not to shoot down the idea, of course, I just think we need to work out how that will happen and why the motivation's there. I understand Kaiserstar wants a return to what was before, but SunClan and perhaps other MoonClanners seem less attached to that idea. Am I correct in thinking that? If so, just out of curiosity, why are they so attached to the former status of the four clans, given that soon more than half the cats will have never lived in that arrangement?
Nightsoul, we'll figure that out when we get there. Regardless of whether it'll be a truly new clan or just a return to the previous clans, the leader will be selected using the usual process.
Spirit, in-game, I don't know what that will look like. There aren't enough rebels for them to form the clan entirely, it would probably be more like them rejoining their former clan mates.
Personally, I've never quite liked the way that Night and Dawn work together, but DayClan sounds silly and I can never quite get my tongue around DuskClan. Earth-Sky sounds nice, but that is a canon clan so it should probably be avoid. Not liking the way things are named is a stupid reason to change the course of the site, of course, so it's more of a perk of going down a new direction rather than a reason not to return to the status quo. If y'all are worried about the time it would take to change the website over, I don't think that would be too big of a deal. I would just need to re-label some maps and such, not unlike what I did with EarthClan.
But, from an in-game perspective, I can't quite make it work in my mind that EarthClan would just accept being ripped apart again. We could perhaps force it if MoonClan and SunClan end up being extremely dominant, but there will inevitably be some lasting ties when cats born in EarthClan or who otherwise never lived in an independent DawnClan or NightClan are forced into a side. How will we figure that process out, in-game? Will they be allowed to just choose? (Out of game, of course, it will be up to the character's owner.) Would MoonClan and SunClan object to forcing EarthClan into one of the old territories and bolstering the establishment of a new fourth clan? That would end up with SC/MC potentially having a third clan supporter and one unfriendly clan, rather than them against two unhappy clans who still feel like one entity with a few former rebels who raised their claws against them thrown into the mix. However, there really is no way to get across the awkwardness of joining back with the rebels, so the cats will have to deal with that one either way.
My sleep-deprived rambling's not to shoot down the idea, of course, I just think we need to work out how that will happen and why the motivation's there. I understand Kaiserstar wants a return to what was before, but SunClan and perhaps other MoonClanners seem less attached to that idea. Am I correct in thinking that? If so, just out of curiosity, why are they so attached to the former status of the four clans, given that soon more than half the cats will have never lived in that arrangement?
I just realized that Ember is right. There aren't really enough rebels to make a new clan, and it doesn't make sense for the dawnclan rebels and Nightclan rebels to band together as that's exactly what they don't want to happen. And I agree, I can't exactly see Earthclan dividing back up into two clans.
I'm planning Tigerpaw getting lost in MoonClan territory and Thornpaw finds her.
Maybe if the NC rebels gained a lot more members (like outsiders that were from gangs, or were just roaming around) they form their own unofficial Clan, and possibly in the attempt to pose a bigger threat to EarthClan to split them apart, they either force the DC rebels to join them, or they join on their own accord for fear of being outnumbered? Idk if this would be able to work at all though 
I did the calculations, and I think that after Queenstride and her Two kits get rescued there'll be about 23 Nightclan rebels, though not all are active. It wouldn't take that much more to make a small clan.
I plan on making another apprentice, I can put her in NightClan's rebels.
Nightsoul, we've actually had a StormClan before.
Spirit, 23 cats isn't nearly enough for a whole clan, since a clan on this site tends to be about five times that many. However, there are likely some NightClan-loyal cats within EarthClan who just didn't make the leap into leaving. EarthClan is, at least, the size of a normal clan, not two clans, so it wouldn't probably be too hard for NightClan rebels to swell a bit in numbers to form a new clan. I'm not too concerned with what the DC rebels will do, since most of them aren't active. There haven't been any posts in the Loner Forest thread for for three weeks.
Shadecloud, if the NightClanners are still thinking of themselves primarily as a clan, they could definitely be recruiting from outside the clan. My question is why anyone would join them, but that's up to the owners of characters who do join.
Spirit, 23 cats isn't nearly enough for a whole clan, since a clan on this site tends to be about five times that many. However, there are likely some NightClan-loyal cats within EarthClan who just didn't make the leap into leaving. EarthClan is, at least, the size of a normal clan, not two clans, so it wouldn't probably be too hard for NightClan rebels to swell a bit in numbers to form a new clan. I'm not too concerned with what the DC rebels will do, since most of them aren't active. There haven't been any posts in the Loner Forest thread for for three weeks.
Shadecloud, if the NightClanners are still thinking of themselves primarily as a clan, they could definitely be recruiting from outside the clan. My question is why anyone would join them, but that's up to the owners of characters who do join.
As losers in the conflict it doesn't matter what they want as individuals, negotiations will be handled mostly by the victors with some insight by those who lost but not much else. It could be simply worked by setting a standard. Those born of Nightclan Queens go to Nightclan and those born from Dawnclan Queens go to Dawnclan. For those that were in NC got to NC, same with DC. Any cats who joined the clan halfway with no other clan ties will be split in half. Those who were rebels will become the new leaders. This is just an idea but whether they like it or not doesn't matter as they don't have a real say in the matter, as shown constantly throughout our own history.
Sorry to change the subject, but should EC begin setting up the ambushes and sending the weaker cats to Sunwarm rocks now? It seems to me that the battle is coming quickly.
Henry, I agree that should be the case if MoonClan and SunClan win so overwhelmingly that the EarthClanners are forced into submitting to whatever they want for the sake of saving their own lives. Which, if that's a direction we want to go into, that would be fine, but it seems like MoonClan and SunClan could also cut their own losses and meet them half-way. So, it really depends on what MoonClan and SunClan's priorities are. Mocking, Pallet (since Kaiserstar will be retiring before this comes to a head), where would you put your leaders as leaning? And those of you who haven't spoken up on the old vs. new clans, where do you think we should focus our efforts?
Ginger, yeah, they should.
Ginger, yeah, they should.
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Henry, I agree that should be the case if MoonClan and SunClan win so overwhelmingly that the EarthClanners are forced into submitting to whatever they want for the sake of saving their own lives. Which, if that's a direction we want to go into, that would be fine, but it seems like MoonClan and SunClan could also cut their own losses and meet them half-way. So, it really depends on what MoonClan and SunClan's priorities are. Mocking, Pallet (since Kaiserstar will be retiring before this comes to a head), where would you put your leaders as leaning? And those of you who haven't spoken up on the old vs. new clans, where do you think we should focus our efforts?
Ginger, yeah, they should.
Personally, I think it would be interesting to see where the new clans go, since we're already this far.
I agree with Kingfish. I honestly feel things would get pretty boring without changing the clans up a bit and doing something new like adding a new clan or something. That may just be me though...
I personally agree with Gingerheart, but I can find a way for my cats to fit the plot if we chose to go with Earthclan splitting back up too.
I wouldn't mind seeing some clan switch ups. It wasn't exactly cannon in the books besides Skyclan being thrown in the trashcan. (Not a fan of that whole work.) But I mean, we aren't roleplaying the books, so I don't think we really have to stick to that outline. 
Ok, so i did a some thinking and came up with the idea that if the new Clan was going to be made up of the NC rebels then they would most likely go for a name related to NightClan since they want to stick to the NightClan ways and such. I ended up coming up with some names related to Night, though it isn't many: ShadeClan, DarkClan, BlackClan and TwilightClan. But, if y'all would prefer going with something that's the opposite of earth then why not go for a liquid since earth is a solid. So i came up with a few water related names: RippleClan, WaterClan, StreamClan, LakeClan and RainClan. Or we could go for something like RisingClan since it will slowly grow and become stronger...i guess? These were just some ideas, if y'all don't like any that's fine.
Just to put aside the topic of where we're going with the clans for a moment, it seems like the battle has fallen to the wayside. Leaders, please make getting the battle going your priority right now. Deputies and other high ranking characters, if the leader isn't online, don't hesitate to take charge and help push the plot forward. In particular, Mocking has said she won't be very active for the next few days, so Honeysplash and the head warriors will need to get the battle going from SunClan's side.
Ginger, could you give us a refresher about what Foxstar's plan is? There seems to be a bit of confusion.
Ginger, could you give us a refresher about what Foxstar's plan is? There seems to be a bit of confusion.
Foxstar had ordered the queens, kits, elders and herbs all to be moved immediately to Sunwarm rocks with a few warriors to stay with them and guard while other warriors go to the NightClan territory and set up the ambushes, and those who don't go are supposed to stay in camp and wait for SC and MC to arrive so they can lead them into the ambushes. This is what Foxstar, Shadowhawk and Elmcrest all planned to do as preparation for the battle. Is there something else I'm supposed to do?
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