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Hi guys! If you haven’t yet, please check out the last Plot Planning Page and the History Page, which was updated on the 25th.
As Ripple pointed out on the EarthClan Camp thread, there seem to be a whole bunch of disconnected side plots going on right now. Ideally, we can talk here about how to wind some of those side plots together to aid the overall plot.
As well, we need to decide what to do about the meeting between MoonClan and SunClan scheduled to take place in 14 in-game days. This doesn’t necessarily need to be 14 out-of-game days.
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Going with Spicy's idea of using the former Dawn/Night camps, this could possibly be a way to lure MoonClan and SunClan into the city. What I mean is that if there were some warriors from EC in the city, the remaining warriors in the EC camp could retreat towards the city if they become outnumbered, regrouping with them. I'm not sure if MC and SC would chase them into the city or if they would just take their fleeing as a defeat, but I thought it might be able to work.
Simplified version if it was too confusing:
Going with Spicy's suggestion, several warriors are stationed in NightClan's former camp
During the attack, the EC Cats in the EC camp could flee to the city to regroup if they become outnumbered
MC/SC chase after them, possibly to finish them off, or to corner them and demand that EarthClan split up (I assume that's why they launched the attack in the first place);they end up in the city
Going with Ginger's idea, MC and SC would/could be confused by the city's surroundings, giving EC the upper hand in the battle
Do you guys think this could work? I'm sure there are some flaws in my plan but I want to hear what you all think.
Simplified version if it was too confusing:
Going with Spicy's suggestion, several warriors are stationed in NightClan's former camp
During the attack, the EC Cats in the EC camp could flee to the city to regroup if they become outnumbered
MC/SC chase after them, possibly to finish them off, or to corner them and demand that EarthClan split up (I assume that's why they launched the attack in the first place);they end up in the city
Going with Ginger's idea, MC and SC would/could be confused by the city's surroundings, giving EC the upper hand in the battle
Do you guys think this could work? I'm sure there are some flaws in my plan but I want to hear what you all think.
For that, EarthClan could have half the able bodied cats prepared to lead the attacking parties of SC/MC/Rebs into the city where fresh warriors are waiting to "ambush"/take the place of the worn out and injured cats.
Kaiserstar's objective is to seize Burnt Woods and nothing else, if Earthclan tries to lead Moonclan away he'd easily say no to following since his objective is complete. He is also not dumb enough to fall for such a plan.
Well then, do you have any other ideas? Anything can help @Henry McArthur
I don't know whether Sunclan would be vengeful enough after their loss to Earthclan to give chase despite Kaiserstar's wishes but that is very possible. Some Moonclanners may be too ignorant to listen to Kaiserstar and truly believe Earthclan to be retreating as well, but that is all I can give for now. The third battle to come which should inevitably be a Earthclan loss should be a mere consequence of this one as their camp is as I understand in the burnt woods. To take a retreat and ambush to win would also mean to abandon their camp along with any prey and herbs stored up, consequences for later, as I said.
Well, I did come up with another idea, but my dad and brother said the ambush thing was by far a better idea. That was the best I could come up with, sorry. 
I do like the idea of weakening MoonClan and SunClan with sickness or some other problem. Maybe there could be a major drought and famine, since we haven?t had that happen in a while? I don?t think a flood would work, since EarthClan would be hit the hardest and we?re trying to make them stronger.
Hm... having EarthClan spread between several camps could be interesting, but wouldn?t that make the leadership nervous? Ginger, would Foxfur go for that?
If they set up the retreat/ambush, Henry, I think they?d go ahead and move the majority of their prey and herbs elsewhere. It is a fair point that MoonClan/SunClan might not fall for such a plan, but we could restructure the plan to make it work. Maybe EarthClan hears about the attack and peacefully ?give up? the burnt woods and pretends to surrender. Then, MoonClan and SunClan accept, but keep up their guard. When the natural disaster/sickness strikes, they?re distracted, and start to keep a less close eye on EarthClan (or, as they understand it at this point, NightClan and DawnClan). EarthClan, meanwhile, remains strong and attacks MoonClan and SunClan separately (possibly at once? How that part of the plan would work does depend on clan demographics and how hard SC/MC are hit by the natural disaster) where they can?t be overwhelmed by numbers. Then, they force MoonClan and SunClan to acknowledge their right to exist as a clan, possibly with the carrot of agreeing to provide aid to the other clans?
It is a somewhat complicated plot, but I know lots of members have wanted us to try something new, and sneakiness doesn?t tend to come into the site-wide plot much. As well, I don?t know where we?d go from there. My point is mostly showing that we could still have EArthClan do something sneaky to avoid being crushed under the numbers of MC/SC/rebels.
Hm... having EarthClan spread between several camps could be interesting, but wouldn?t that make the leadership nervous? Ginger, would Foxfur go for that?
If they set up the retreat/ambush, Henry, I think they?d go ahead and move the majority of their prey and herbs elsewhere. It is a fair point that MoonClan/SunClan might not fall for such a plan, but we could restructure the plan to make it work. Maybe EarthClan hears about the attack and peacefully ?give up? the burnt woods and pretends to surrender. Then, MoonClan and SunClan accept, but keep up their guard. When the natural disaster/sickness strikes, they?re distracted, and start to keep a less close eye on EarthClan (or, as they understand it at this point, NightClan and DawnClan). EarthClan, meanwhile, remains strong and attacks MoonClan and SunClan separately (possibly at once? How that part of the plan would work does depend on clan demographics and how hard SC/MC are hit by the natural disaster) where they can?t be overwhelmed by numbers. Then, they force MoonClan and SunClan to acknowledge their right to exist as a clan, possibly with the carrot of agreeing to provide aid to the other clans?
It is a somewhat complicated plot, but I know lots of members have wanted us to try something new, and sneakiness doesn?t tend to come into the site-wide plot much. As well, I don?t know where we?d go from there. My point is mostly showing that we could still have EArthClan do something sneaky to avoid being crushed under the numbers of MC/SC/rebels.
Honestly Ember, I think that's a great idea. It's also something Foxfur would do to win a battle. He's one of those types who is willing to surrender just to come back later and win, like the saying "you lose the fight to win the war". He could see how outnumbered EarthClan is compared to SC/MC and agree to give up the Burnt woods. They could either separate ways and go back to being DawNClan and NightClan or stay together and just move to a different location. But either way, Foxfur would be watching , planning and waiting for the right opportunity to retake the Burnt Woods. As soon as he sees their weakness he'll strike. And, he is also the type to try making a deal with them. So he would offer to help them if SC/MC accept them as a clan and leave them be. As for what can happen afterwards, perhaps all three clans can settle down for a short period of time, until something stirs up again. And perhaps while they're settling down, the rebels could be trying to raise their numbers for another attack on EarthClan. I'm honestly not sure about that one either, sorry guys.
No I disagree With a disaster, a famine would only distract everyone from the plot and make everything drag out torturously slow. That would only be overcomplicating things to where it isn't fun, just more tediom and waiting around. Another thing to consider is how a famine affects SC and MC but not EC? That makes zero lick of sense. Disasters aren't that specifically situational and I'd rather not spend the next ten days talking about how it makes sense, how it happens, and what it is. The ambush idea works fine and is more straightforward plotwise and I don't agree that they'd be able to move all of their herbs and prey quick enough as whomever alerts them would do it once the two clans were mobilizing. I say they have a small skirmish, Earthclan retreats, ignorant SC and MC Warriors give chase and are ambushed thus forcing MC and SC to leave.
Yeah, it was certainly far from a perfect plan, I just threw it together in a few minutes to try to tie in a few different ideas.
I agree that the famine plot could overcomplicate and slow down things. However, the famine would affect MC and SC more than EC, because EC can always fall back on scavenging garbage. They have that string of restaurants (The Scavenging Place) that would provide more than enough food, even if that food isn?t always the healthiest. If we go with the prisoner idea, they would have a good deal of a heads up that MC and SC are planning on attacking. They wouldn?t be able to move everything the instant they find out MC and SC are about to attack- they probably wouldn?t know what was going to happen in that detail- but they would be able to store most of their herbs and prey elsewhere as a precaution. Your simple ambush idea works too, though, if members want to keep it simple.
So, thoughts, guys?
I agree that the famine plot could overcomplicate and slow down things. However, the famine would affect MC and SC more than EC, because EC can always fall back on scavenging garbage. They have that string of restaurants (The Scavenging Place) that would provide more than enough food, even if that food isn?t always the healthiest. If we go with the prisoner idea, they would have a good deal of a heads up that MC and SC are planning on attacking. They wouldn?t be able to move everything the instant they find out MC and SC are about to attack- they probably wouldn?t know what was going to happen in that detail- but they would be able to store most of their herbs and prey elsewhere as a precaution. Your simple ambush idea works too, though, if members want to keep it simple.
So, thoughts, guys?
Perhaps something can happen to just the rabbit/hare population in SunClan? Like they get sick and aren't safe to eat? That wouldn't affect any of the other clans, necessarily. But maybe that could push SunClan to ask MoonClan to share rations? That would help them, some, but it would also put a strain on MoonClan as well, having to split up their prey from the forest to help their allies. Yet that could really put a damper on their alliance... Hmm.....
I agree with Henry that a disaster could really distract us from the main plot, but I think if it's needed we could make it work. Maybe if we do go with the disaster, it could be more short term with long lasting effects, so that we don't spend forever building up to it and in it? I would suggest some sort of flash flood, but then the problem of it only affecting MC and SC, while EC would realistically probably be the most affected, comes into play.
Perhaps there could be an illness that the prey starts carrying around? If that happened then it would also affect MC. Yes, it would also affect EC, but they could quickly realize that the prey is making them sick before it gets too serious. They would be able to eat something both SC and MC can't in order to stop getting sick. They have fish in the old DC territory. Fish don't always get contaminated and dangerous to eat unless there is something in the water, so if only the land prey are contaminated then there's a possibility that the fish won't be. As soon as Foxfur realizes the prey is causing illness he'd order the clan to only hunt fish to prevent getting sick. And since they could realize this before it gets too serious then they could heal quicker. But, would we have to have a reason for the prey to carry the sickness? Or not? It doesn't have to be something that the cats have to investigate, just a random sickness breakout that the prey carries. That even happens irl.... this was just an idea. Sorry if it's too unrealistic, I try staying as realistic as I can but...it may not be a good idea.
That sounds like a decent plan, Ginger... Would EC try to directly sabotage the land prey, like NightClan did with DawnClan's fish once? Then they wouldn't suffer at all, since they'd know from the beginning.
Foxfur is not the type to intentionally hurt the other clans. He will however intentionally hurt them in battle, but he plays fair and he isn't evil in any way. So no, he wouldn't do that to them. He would only do that if it was absolutely necessary as in being the only way to protect his clan.
Desolatestar wouldn't ask MoonClan to give her clan prey. She would rather have them hunt in loner territory before potentially weakening her allies. But if something were to happen like two-legs over hunt the rabbits, SunClan would have to solely rely on small prey like mice and swallows. That would cause them to have to have constant hunting patrols which in turn could cause exhaustion. This can always lead to accidental deaths from two leg traps in the fox place or simply dying from exhaustion or disease.
That would weaken SunClan considerably. But I don't know if everyone would be okay with that. Just a random thought.
That would weaken SunClan considerably. But I don't know if everyone would be okay with that. Just a random thought.
That sounds like a really good plan, Mocking, at least for weakening SunClan. To weaken them more, we could maybe have a big population burst in foxes or badgers in their territory, which would weaken them even more since they would have to deal with fighting them off a lot more often?
I honestly think that disease is probably the way to go if we were looking to weaken the other two clans, especially after the battle. With a cluster of cats together like Earthclan and coming into contact with them, diseases that Earthclan cats may be immune to, MC and SC might not be. We would need a few cats to die of disease since not everyone in EC would be immune, but thats the only way I can see a disease/ "disaster" happening, as well as not really affecting the plot that much.
River, having a flash flood would avoid the slow build up that disaster plots get bogged down in, but that would weaken EC more than the other clans. Having EarthClan more affected than the other clans also seems like a trouble with disease (barring immunity, though I?m not certain how that would work considering how much the clans interact), since EarthClanners live in such crowded conditions and are exposed to more places where they could pick up a disease.
Maybe two-legs could interfere somehow? They could gas a rabbit warren in SC territory, perhaps? That does leave MoonClan untouched, though
Maybe two-legs could interfere somehow? They could gas a rabbit warren in SC territory, perhaps? That does leave MoonClan untouched, though
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Since it seems like Ember and members are on board, the two-legs decimating the rabbit population to start weakening the Clan seems good.
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Perhaps they could have some kind of animal attack? Like wild dogs, a couple badgers, coyotes, or something like that?
Since it seems like Ember and members are on board, the two-legs decimating the rabbit population to start weakening the Clan seems good.
Idea for MoonClan |
Perhaps they could have some kind of animal attack? Like wild dogs, a couple badgers, coyotes, or something like that?
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