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Hi everyone! If you haven’t yet, please read over the last few pages of the last Plot Planning Page or check on the Planned Events section of the History Page to catch up on what we already have planned.
Before we get too much further into the planned plot, I want to make sure we’re all on the same page about what the next few weeks or months will look like, particularly in regards to the NightClan-DawnClan merger.
To set a few ground rules: the merge won’t be permanent, the pages won’t be merged, and there won’t be only one member in charge of the entire merged clan.
We could, however, shake up how the leadership is organized. What would the power balance be like between the two? Would the leaders have equal say, or would one dominate? How would the deputies act? Medicine cats? Who would be in these positions? I don’t think it would work well for half the positions to be cut, partially out of fairness to members in those positions and partially because it would put so much stress on the singular, say, deputy or medicine cat, not to mention it could require a page merge that would later be an absolute nightmare to untangle. That said, we could have the two leaders with a council of cats who have different functions (deputies would be in charge of organizing the day to day activities of the clan, medicine cats would maintain most of their duties, then we could add on elders in keeping an eye over the camp and providing advice). A plan like that would allow members without an official chosen position to have some influence on the clan from their elders or medicine cats, which would allow the most active and interesting characters to rise to the top of future chosen leadership positions.
As well, I’m curious as to what we’re going to do with Creekstar and Tiger’s arranged mateship. If Tiger took a prominent place in NightClan’s council- or whatever we decide on- it could work , but if it is an actually arranged mateship it would make more sense if Creeksplash became mates with Ricochet.
Also, what should the alliance be called?
All thoughts are welcome 
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No, not sarcasm. Seeing as I have way more haters in life than Creeksplash was, that needs to change.
Sure, since the clans would be considered one big clan having mentor-apprentice pairings from formerly different clans would be inevitable.
I?ve been thinking about how we?re actually going to go forward with the merge and am thinking that if this becomes a long-lived plot point (more than three months) that the pages should actually be merged. As well, we still need to sort out the name. I actually would like to put forth the idea of ?EarthClan? (even though I dismissed it as silly before) so we?d have nicely themed names with SunClan, MoonClan, and EarthClan. To sort out a few other aspects of the merge, where would they live and what would the leadership be like?
I imagine they would want to stay in DawnClan?s camp, as it will appear safer after that raid NightClan had not long ago. However, that is at some distance from NightClan?s territory, especially the Scavenging Place, where they get most of their food. They would also want to take over the Burnt Woods, to aid travel between the two sections of their territory.
I was talking to the moderators about leadership and we settled on a council system in which each clan has a leader and a group of equally powerful cats including the medicine cat, any characters over 10 months old (elders and old warriors). That means the current council would include Tymethorn, Whisperpaw, Aspenscar, Sunfleck, Sharpblades, Silverspikes, Alphaheart, Kingdomquake, Shadesoul, Luminousowl, Twosouls and Dogface. That could get somewhat hectic, so we could limit it to the medicine cats and any characters 11 or 12 months old. Under this system it would be possible for anyone who wants to try their hand at a council position to create an elder for the job. As well, Creekstar and Boundstar will lead together, but Spidersong will be the only deputy and will be set to take leadership when both Creekstar and Boundstar die or retire.
Thoughts?
I?ve been thinking about how we?re actually going to go forward with the merge and am thinking that if this becomes a long-lived plot point (more than three months) that the pages should actually be merged. As well, we still need to sort out the name. I actually would like to put forth the idea of ?EarthClan? (even though I dismissed it as silly before) so we?d have nicely themed names with SunClan, MoonClan, and EarthClan. To sort out a few other aspects of the merge, where would they live and what would the leadership be like?
I imagine they would want to stay in DawnClan?s camp, as it will appear safer after that raid NightClan had not long ago. However, that is at some distance from NightClan?s territory, especially the Scavenging Place, where they get most of their food. They would also want to take over the Burnt Woods, to aid travel between the two sections of their territory.
I was talking to the moderators about leadership and we settled on a council system in which each clan has a leader and a group of equally powerful cats including the medicine cat, any characters over 10 months old (elders and old warriors). That means the current council would include Tymethorn, Whisperpaw, Aspenscar, Sunfleck, Sharpblades, Silverspikes, Alphaheart, Kingdomquake, Shadesoul, Luminousowl, Twosouls and Dogface. That could get somewhat hectic, so we could limit it to the medicine cats and any characters 11 or 12 months old. Under this system it would be possible for anyone who wants to try their hand at a council position to create an elder for the job. As well, Creekstar and Boundstar will lead together, but Spidersong will be the only deputy and will be set to take leadership when both Creekstar and Boundstar die or retire.
Thoughts?
Just throwing this out there but to make things interesting the newly merged clan could take up residence in the Gathering Clearing and claim it as their own territory.
I considered that too, but it's a fairly exposed area and the cliffs on either side might be a bit too dangerous for the clans to want their kits held there.
We could have them take up residence within the Burnt Woods and create a new landmark there for the camp, one that would be suitably protected. It would also allow you to draw another landmark picture, Ember, which I know you love doing x)
First of all, I have to say that I'm in favour of what's been discussed above. I especially like the symmetry provided by 'EarthClan'. However, I do have one small issue with the council structure, which is that several prominent Nightclanners such as Pantherfang or Threekings would not have a spot on the council simply because they are not old enough, while many of the older characters are not roleplayed as often any way. To clarify, I think the idea behind the system for choosing members of the council is great. It allows for long-term characters to be recognized and to be given an increased importance in their last month, but it also allows any member to participate in the council immediately. However, in practice, I wonder if some exceptions should not be made? Also, how, exactly, would the council function? Would they act as head warriors? As a congress? When and where would they meet, or would they not 'meet' at all?
Overall, though, I love the plan, and would support it in its current form.
Second, and more urgently, there has been some discussion in the off-topic chat about what to do in reference to Sharkfang. The possibilities seem to be:
1. NightClan imprisons her, thinking there is a larger SunClan plot. They torture her for information/admission and finally execute her.
2. NightClan imprisons her and executes her shortly thereafter.
3. She is executed immediately.
4. She somehow escapes, possibly to return and play a part in the future.
5. MoonClan imprisons her to force SunClan into an alliance by implicating them in a plot against DawnClan and NightClan, a force against which they would need MoonClan's assistance.
Overall, though, I love the plan, and would support it in its current form.
Second, and more urgently, there has been some discussion in the off-topic chat about what to do in reference to Sharkfang. The possibilities seem to be:
1. NightClan imprisons her, thinking there is a larger SunClan plot. They torture her for information/admission and finally execute her.
2. NightClan imprisons her and executes her shortly thereafter.
3. She is executed immediately.
4. She somehow escapes, possibly to return and play a part in the future.
5. MoonClan imprisons her to force SunClan into an alliance by implicating them in a plot against DawnClan and NightClan, a force against which they would need MoonClan's assistance.
I think we should stand by the idea of only having older warriors/ elders working on the Council. They have more experience and it's a nice reward for members who have kept their characters for a long time. It also allows for more participation than selecting younger warriors, qualified or not.
That could work. We all know that there?s nothing I love more than doing than those darn landmark pictures x) (but, my own gripes about spending twenty minutes on what should be a relatively easy peace, that does sound like a good idea. The imagery of them being around a bunch of, well, burnt trees is fun too. They would still have the problem of being exposed to the other clans, though.)
Maybe we could have just elders have an automatic spot and have 4-5 warriors from different members take up positions similar to those of head warriors in SunClan?
Choice five is the most interesting, but I?m not sure how we could weasel that in on such short notice. I might have just sealed her fate by having Scorchedwings say they could execute her (option two), but if some SunClanners spoke against Scorchedwings? decision we could go for option one. Option four just doesn?t seem likely or very helpful, if we need some trouble stirred up in the future we can just use an already active character.
Maybe we could have just elders have an automatic spot and have 4-5 warriors from different members take up positions similar to those of head warriors in SunClan?
Choice five is the most interesting, but I?m not sure how we could weasel that in on such short notice. I might have just sealed her fate by having Scorchedwings say they could execute her (option two), but if some SunClanners spoke against Scorchedwings? decision we could go for option one. Option four just doesn?t seem likely or very helpful, if we need some trouble stirred up in the future we can just use an already active character.
Just a general question about the Council, will having a character part of it count against the high ranking character limit of one per member?
Option Five would definitely be interesting, but, as you said, difficult to construct on short notice.
Lightning's right about the reward for long-term characters. Thinking more about my own suggestion, it seems foolish; active, prominent characters will remain active and prominent, but giving importance to other characters should, theoretically, only make for a richer, more vibrant society. It's also nice to differ from SunClan's head warriors. So, Ember, Lightning, other moderators who were involved in the decision, I think you're right: elders and senior warriors it should be.
Lightning's right about the reward for long-term characters. Thinking more about my own suggestion, it seems foolish; active, prominent characters will remain active and prominent, but giving importance to other characters should, theoretically, only make for a richer, more vibrant society. It's also nice to differ from SunClan's head warriors. So, Ember, Lightning, other moderators who were involved in the decision, I think you're right: elders and senior warriors it should be.
Ember says...
Sure, since the clans would be considered one big clan having mentor-apprentice pairings from formerly different clans would be inevitable.
I?ve been thinking about how we?re actually going to go forward with the merge and am thinking that if this becomes a long-lived plot point (more than three months) that the pages should actually be merged. As well, we still need to sort out the name. I actually would like to put forth the idea of ?EarthClan? (even though I dismissed it as silly before) so we?d have nicely themed names with SunClan, MoonClan, and EarthClan. To sort out a few other aspects of the merge, where would they live and what would the leadership be like?
I imagine they would want to stay in DawnClan?s camp, as it will appear safer after that raid NightClan had not long ago. However, that is at some distance from NightClan?s territory, especially the Scavenging Place, where they get most of their food. They would also want to take over the Burnt Woods, to aid travel between the two sections of their territory.
I was talking to the moderators about leadership and we settled on a council system in which each clan has a leader and a group of equally powerful cats including the medicine cat, any characters over 10 months old (elders and old warriors). That means the current council would include Tymethorn, Whisperpaw, Aspenscar, Sunfleck, Sharpblades, Silverspikes, Alphaheart, Kingdomquake, Shadesoul, Luminousowl, Twosouls and Dogface. That could get somewhat hectic, so we could limit it to the medicine cats and any characters 11 or 12 months old. Under this system it would be possible for anyone who wants to try their hand at a council position to create an elder for the job. As well, Creekstar and Boundstar will lead together, but Spidersong will be the only deputy and will be set to take leadership when both Creekstar and Boundstar die or retire.
Thoughts?
I'm certainly in favour of that plan! It sounds like it could work quite well, organizationally and in terms of making roleplay interesting, with tensions likely rising in SunClan and MoonClan as EarthClan (a name which I definitely support as well) grew stronger. As for the council, I think the older warriors and elders plan would work. That way, they would likely be more developed characters, seeing as they survived that long, and would probably be more consistent in their personalities. They could also have a past reputation, from being around so long, which would make them more respected and influential.
Lightning, no, it wouldn?t. We?d probably run out of active members between all the other high ranking positions and the council.
Alienfish, I do think that you have a point about the oldest characters not always being the most interesting. I can?t speak for other members, but my cat on the council (Dogface) has stuck around only because I haven?t had a reason to get rid of him. I do like how it opens up council positions to newer members, though, without putting us in an awkward position if they go inactive or whatnot.
Alienfish, I do think that you have a point about the oldest characters not always being the most interesting. I can?t speak for other members, but my cat on the council (Dogface) has stuck around only because I haven?t had a reason to get rid of him. I do like how it opens up council positions to newer members, though, without putting us in an awkward position if they go inactive or whatnot.
My main problem with having younger warriors on the Council is the question of who gets to choose which characters will fill the positions. Having them as elders leaves it open to people who may not have had a higher ranking character before, and it gives use to older characters who no longer just have to wait around until they die. They can become instrumental pieces of the plot and unlike younger warriors, they have no need for ulterior motives or blackmailing in a desperate bid to land the leadership position.
Like Ember said, we could have a mixture of old and (relatively) young characters to fill the spots on the council. Purely restricting one demo. over the other would also restrict the range of dialogue they're able to have. If the council is here to act as a psuedo-jury to the leaders' judegement, then we should see that the group is diverse. Leaving out a large portion of younger cats is inhibitory; especially if they are the type to stand out in labor alone. Council members shouldn't automatically earn a seat just because they're old and supposedly more experienced. Sounds like a lot of hand-holding to have a prominent character otherwise.
I also agree with Lightning that the Burnt woods could be a good mediation place for the alliance since it sits in between the city and the forest. They'd likely have to renovate the area, but it could work.
@Alienfish Option five also sounds like it would eventually turn SC against MC if the alliance is perceived as forced. I'd go with options one or four, because it's certain that you could play those angles to their potential. Maybe switch out NC with DC in option one also.
I also agree with Lightning that the Burnt woods could be a good mediation place for the alliance since it sits in between the city and the forest. They'd likely have to renovate the area, but it could work.
@Alienfish Option five also sounds like it would eventually turn SC against MC if the alliance is perceived as forced. I'd go with options one or four, because it's certain that you could play those angles to their potential. Maybe switch out NC with DC in option one also.
Well, Creeksplash wants to simply exile her. But that can change.
You shouldn't have to change Creeksplash just to reflect a predetermined plot. Everything has been moving rather naturally thus far; maybe we should let it keep on going naturally, and see where that gets us?
I don't think it really matters from a overarching plot perspective what happens to Sharkfang, so Creekstar can do whatever.
Alright, she'll just exile her then. | Should Creeksplash's dream be a real vision or just her imagination?
Just her imagination. StarClan never actually interferes on this site.
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