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Hello everyone! If you haven’t already, please read over the Planned Events section at the top of the History Page.
The most contentious issue in the planned plot is whether or not to have a substantial portion of NightClan’s population neutered and, if we decide to go with that plot, how they should respond. Henry and I have been going back and forth on this on the last plot blog entry, so if you haven’t yet it’s a good idea to read over the last few pages of it so you know where the current discussion stands and can offer your thoughts on what would be the most interesting and realistic direction for the plot to head.
As well, how do you feel about the rest of the plot?
Over the past few days I’ve noticed that there hasn’t been much tension in SunClan surrounding Jaguargaze and Icestar and while I suspect that’s more a result of how busy this time of year is, I’d like to hear your thoughts on the SunClan schism. Will your characters actually be split between the two, or would you feel like you’re forcing conflict where there is none?
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If my memory holds, in the first book Firestar commented that his neighboring cat had been neutered and became lazy as well as smelling different. So, being neutered is at least something that cats are aware happens, and from the change in smell they?d probably realize that the cats aren?t fertile anymore or realize a little later on that the cats who were kidnapped by twolegs aren?t having kits even when they are trying to.
As well, the cats would probably just feel different and notice that their drive to mate is totally gone even if they don?t connect that to a biological inability to have kits.
I can?t think of any cats in NightClan who had been captured before and neutered before, even the kittypets. They could still have experience with it happening with loners, though, or I could be misremembering.
Hm? they might find the ear clipping to be really weird. They?d notice it, but I doubt they?d figure out why the twolegs are doing it. I don?t think there?s anywhere plot-relevant we can go with that, but running with the cats? suspicions could be fun in-game.
As well, the cats would probably just feel different and notice that their drive to mate is totally gone even if they don?t connect that to a biological inability to have kits.
I can?t think of any cats in NightClan who had been captured before and neutered before, even the kittypets. They could still have experience with it happening with loners, though, or I could be misremembering.
Hm? they might find the ear clipping to be really weird. They?d notice it, but I doubt they?d figure out why the twolegs are doing it. I don?t think there?s anywhere plot-relevant we can go with that, but running with the cats? suspicions could be fun in-game.
Two of Lightning's cats were fixed and tipped, before they joined? I think? Lord and Lady (those were their prefixes. I camt recall their suffixes)? They may not be in the clans anymore, though. I believe that they were related to Lionstar? Possibly? I don't think that they are still in the clans, though. (Sorry for all the question-like statements. I am not positive on everything, so that's why I am saying it like I don't know what's what.)
I think that in the first series, as Ember mentioned, Bluestar sniffed Firepaw (Rusty at the time), and determined that he had not been taken to the cutter's. So the clan cats could have at least some idea of what that is. Potentially.
Another thing that should make it obvious that the twolegs did something was that they were captured, taken into a room and then "knocked out." Afterwards they'd wake up either in cages or would still be in the veterinary clinic, awaiting release, likely still drowsy from the anesthesia. Maybe that could be realistic enough to work? Even if they are released before they come completely down off the anesthesia, that could possibly make some sense as well? Maybe?
I think that in the first series, as Ember mentioned, Bluestar sniffed Firepaw (Rusty at the time), and determined that he had not been taken to the cutter's. So the clan cats could have at least some idea of what that is. Potentially.
Another thing that should make it obvious that the twolegs did something was that they were captured, taken into a room and then "knocked out." Afterwards they'd wake up either in cages or would still be in the veterinary clinic, awaiting release, likely still drowsy from the anesthesia. Maybe that could be realistic enough to work? Even if they are released before they come completely down off the anesthesia, that could possibly make some sense as well? Maybe?
It's easiest to tell the difference between neutered and intact males by the smell of their pee. Intact males have a much stronger scent and are more prone to marking while that behavior almost always stops after they're neutered. Excuse the directness but for males it's just easy to see that they don't have testicles anymore and that would be rather obvious to their clan mates.
I can offer Toxickiss, Bones, Fangs, and Russianpaw.
I can offer Toxickiss, Bones, Fangs, and Russianpaw.
Probably the easiest way to quickly have the gravity of the situation fall upon them would be to have another cat in the clinic or a rogue/ kitty pet familiar with the procedure explain it. I think it would be most prevalent among kitty pets as many owners get their cats fixed.
I danced around whether or not to flat out say that, @Lightning xD Anyhoo, I still say that I may offer up my cat, Wickedpaw. I would have offered Blackswan and Scorchedfox, had I not killed them off...
But on the flip side of things, I could just as equally offer up Wickedpaw, once he is a warrior, to help repopulate NightClan. But I am not sure when he is going to be a warrior, so I couldn't say how soon he would be able to help out with that.
*Edit: Wickedpaw won't be very helpful in that department. He was just made an apprentice at the beginning of the month. I could probably just make a she-cat for that.
But on the flip side of things, I could just as equally offer up Wickedpaw, once he is a warrior, to help repopulate NightClan. But I am not sure when he is going to be a warrior, so I couldn't say how soon he would be able to help out with that.
*Edit: Wickedpaw won't be very helpful in that department. He was just made an apprentice at the beginning of the month. I could probably just make a she-cat for that.
I am a tiny bit confused, would the mother (if from a different clan) get to keep any of her kits?
Ooh, character idea. I'll make a tom in NightClan who can go to DawnClan and is pretty much a stud. He would be very handsome and a lady charmer. He would try to get as many she-cats pregnant as possible. Might have a bad reputation, but he won't be bothered by it. If anyone would offer a NightClanner or DawnClanner she-cat to be in a relationship with him, message me. There will never be enough she-cats for this guy, so do not hesitate.
@Raven It would be up to the parents although it would be assumed that the majority of the kits would stay in NightClan.
I don't know if Ember did this intentionally or not, but Antpaw, a DawnClanner of hers, was caught hunting on SunClan Territory and brought to SunClan Camp by SunClan cats. This is definitely going to create some tension between DawnClan and SunClan. What's more, Bouncepaw, my character from DawnClan, and Endlesspaw, Silverwind's character ( who was formerly from SunClan but left to join DawnClan ) went venturing out into SunClan Territory to look for Antpaw. Yes, I see the drama already..
Ah, I was thinking more of she-cats where the spaying would be less visually apparent. Infertile she-cats are a bigger concern to the clan than infertile males, as well.
Avery, I?m looking for a tom to get Silverpool pregnant, so we can set up something between your character and her.
Yep, that was intentional. It would be awesome if Bouncepaw and Endlesspaw would also get caught?three apprentices is quite a bit more embarrassing than just one.
Avery, I?m looking for a tom to get Silverpool pregnant, so we can set up something between your character and her.
Yep, that was intentional. It would be awesome if Bouncepaw and Endlesspaw would also get caught?three apprentices is quite a bit more embarrassing than just one.
Endlesspaw hasn't technically moved clans yet, so would it work out, him being caught as well? He was raised in SunClan, even though his mother was actually NightClan.
Wouldn't they be able to see the scars, where the fur was shaved away before they were spayed? Although they may not know what it means right away. Unless the she-cat was pregnant and then she would know what happened because she wouldn't be pregnant anymore. That would be harsh, but it could signal what was happening.
Wouldn't they be able to see the scars, where the fur was shaved away before they were spayed? Although they may not know what it means right away. Unless the she-cat was pregnant and then she would know what happened because she wouldn't be pregnant anymore. That would be harsh, but it could signal what was happening.
@Ember Alright, I'll message you about it, and yes, I can have Bouncepaw captured if Silverwind agrees.
@Silverwind I think so, as long as Endlesspaw later claims he was going to join DawnClan.
@Silverwind I think so, as long as Endlesspaw later claims he was going to join DawnClan.
Could someone please sum up what has been discussed and decided please?
@Berrysong Pretty much, we decided to do my idea of sending cats from NightClan to DawnClan to repopulate, and cats from DawnClan to NightClan to repopulate. Right now, they're discussing how the cats would figure out that they can no longer produce kits.
Okay, thanks. I think that finding out that some of NightClan's shecats can't have kits would be a bit hard. I don't think that NightClan would just openly tell DawnClan "Hey, some of our shecats can't have kits", but with DawnClan and NightClan cats joining the other Clan, I feel like some tom should fall in love with one of these infertile shecats, and then, after trying to have kits, finding that the shecat can't. Perhaps DawnClan could assume it was a message from StarClan or something. Just throwing ideas out!
Also, Avery, I'm willing to offer my shecat Mossfoot. I want her to either have those kits and then be very hostile towards toms looking for love later in life, or have her "fixed" and not be able to have kits of her own and instead become the best aunt she can be for her sister's kits.
@Berrysong Alright. Also, to clear things up, the cats sent won't join the Clan. Once they produce or help in the process of making kits, they will return to their original Clan, taking all or a majority of the kits with them.
The fertile cats would only be sent into NightClan, as DawnClan is still under famine and cannot support an influx of kits. The NightClan warriors sent to DawnClan would just be insurance that DawnClan's cats are returned unharmed.
@Lightning Ah, alright. I wasn't exactly sure if DawnClan cats would go into NightClan or if NightClan cats would go into DawnClan.
Okay. I didn't know that DC was still in a famine, If I had known, I probably would have put off Blossompool's kits for later. I feel terrible now.
Anyways, I offer Mossfoot for you, Avery.
Anyways, I offer Mossfoot for you, Avery.
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