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Hi everyone!
Since there hasn’t been much interest in the Isolation Plot recently, we’ve moved to discussing how we’re going to bring the clans back together.
To tie together a few different suggestions together, DawnClan is currently sending a patrol to SunClan to tip them off that NightClan has been crossing through their territory. SunClan will begin more heavily patrolling the NightClan border, where we could have some skirmishes. Kingfish will then take a small band of NightClan’s best fighters to SunClan’s camp and kill a few cats, possibly kits and queens. SunClan, having already started considering an alliance with MoonClan, could then go to Sneakstar and ask for support in attacking NightClan. MoonClan, who’ve had their own problems with NightClan recently, will agree to the alliance.
Meanwhile, NightClan doesn’t know that it is DawnClan that originally tipped off SunClan to the invaders and will turn to them for support. DawnClan, who have reason to fear MoonClan and are desperate to regain their lost territory, will accept the alliance with NightClan and possibly attack MoonClan.
If you haven’t already, please look over the previous Plot Planning Blog Entry for all the details of these individual plots, I’ve only presented one way we can string them together and have left out some of the intricacies.
As well, we need to decide what we’re going to do with the spies and whether we’re going to stick with SunClan’s strict culture –which has not been particularly enforced- and DawnClan’s civil war.
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How do we want the actual leadership of NightClan to react to all of this? They could deflect a battle by banishing Kingfish, which would frankly be the most sensible course of action. Why would they defend him? 
Especially considering that Kingfish stands as an opposing force to Scarletstar's rule, there's no reason why she shouldn't be searching for any opportunity to banish him and this would certainly give her one. It would also keep things from getting too heated between NightClan and SunClan, as the battle could be blamed on a third party.
All of the spies should have their identities revealed then, and maybe as a special event that takes place during a gathering. *hint hint* Kingfish could play a larger role in being the first to call out the spies in front of the clans.
I'd prefer to keep the spies mysterious, though. There's a lot of potential to make that circle more advanced, with new strategies and/or tactics for gathering information across border lines.
I'd prefer to keep the spies mysterious, though. There's a lot of potential to make that circle more advanced, with new strategies and/or tactics for gathering information across border lines.
I know Scarlet would GLADLY banish Kingfish, or maybe throw him in a prison so he doesn't go joining another clan or getting some sort of revenge on NightClan for banishing him.
Kingfish is going to spend some time in DawnClan's territory to mask the NightClan scent so that the attack is blamed on DawnClan. So when DawnClan arrives seeking help, NightClan may first be apprehensive, but when they find out that Sun and MoonClan are allied, NightClan would be pushed to agree to an alliance with DawnClan.
Also, if he gets banished, guys, that ends the divided NightClan plot. Plus, if he's banished, he has to go away, and I've invested too much in him just to have him banished and ultimately deleted. I know I might be sounding really picky, but I'm trying to find a way to keep him and also have him play an important role in the game; it's really hard when everyone just wants him gone. I say if something is to happen, Scarletflame could try to banish him or something, and his group (which, hopefully, is larger than three cats) threatens to start a coup against her unless she allows him to stay, which will officially segregate the clan, one half being on Scarlet's side, and the other on Kingfish's.
Also, if he gets banished, guys, that ends the divided NightClan plot.
Plus, if he's banished, he has to go away, and I've invested too much in him just to have him banished and ultimately deleted. I know I might be sounding really picky, but I'm trying to find a way to keep him and also have him play an important role in the game; it's really hard when everyone just wants him gone. I say if something is to happen, Scarletflame could try to banish him or something, and his group (which, hopefully, is larger than three cats) threatens to start a coup against her unless she allows him to stay, which will officially segregate the clan, one half being on Scarlet's side, and the other on Kingfish's.
There hasn't been much happening with the divided leadership so far. Are we still interested in continuing that arc? If there's more member interest in uniting NightClan again, we could move away from that plot. Sorry King, but if Kingfish gets too much in the way of where the most agreed-upon plot is going, we'll have to change his role.
Hopefully I don't sound disrespectful, as that's not my intention, but isn't it kind of unfair that I have no control of what happens to my character? I mean, I understand if people don't want a divided clan explicitly, but things like the Viking cult were happening that weren't true plot devices, but rather parts of the game at the discretion for the players; can't Kingfish get even just that if the division plot doesn't continue? And like I said, that's rather anticlimactic that I've spent all this time creating Kingfish up to this point with still a little more to do, just to have him exiled.
Correction: he can be exiled, but can we put it off just a little bit? I have a few things I want him to try to do first before he's exiled.
He may not need to be exiled, he may just not be at the forefront of the plot anymore. The Vikings were fairly self-contained, their actions didn't affect the bigger plot-- if we can do the same with Kingfish, there's no reason why he has to leave the clans. The trick is finding a way to integrate him into our changed plans, which I'll admit I'm at a bit of a loss for unless he starts working with NightClan'a official leadership... hm, actually, maybe he could be banished and move to MoonClan, then support attacks against his old clan and frame things on them?
... *Flash's delayed laughter form Zootopia* That would be epic! 
Yeah, I'd be cool with that.
Yeah, I'd be cool with that.
(Oh my gosh, I just saw that movie the other day. The little Godfather shrew was the greatest.) // So, what do the rest of y'all think would work?
I feel like once a character is introduced as a main in a plot, you do loose a bit of control, but to counter act some points, Id like to point out than nearly everyone wants a character in the plot, so to bring the point of wanting to have a character with a role can be understood. However, we can't have Kingfish be everything you want and still have everyone agree with the plot. That would just be unrealistic to think. Being exiled could be an answer to solve this, but at this point with how much Kingfish has actually done, and how much he has gone behind the leadership of his clan, I'm sad to say that he would most definitely be banished And I don't mean to sound rude either, but I do take a bit of offense to the fact of how you say that you've built up your character for him to end up being exiled in the end, because that simply isn't true. Everyone puts a ton into their characters, even though they never get to be a main part of the plot, as I myself has had plenty, as well as many other role players. Not to mention the fact that Kingfish has done a ton of things, so for him to be exiled or banished, it wouldn't be for nothing. In fact, the very purpose of exiling/banishing him would be a pride and reuniting moment for Nightclan, a rejoice even. Don't get me wrong, as I love Kingfish 
but we can't have the whole site revolve around him causing trouble, and then he gets off near scott free and alive. Nightclan wouldn't allow it at that point, and Scarletstar wouldn't be eager at all to let him live. Now as for moving on in the plot, a feel like we should all have a time of piece after this whole alliance thing, as a lot has happened, and some recovery should probably be put in place. I can't even remember the last time we had a gathering! So, I don't know if anyone else would agree, but some recovering time would be great in my eyes xD
And I don't mean to sound rude either, but I do take a bit of offense to the fact of how you say that you've built up your character for him to end up being exiled in the end, because that simply isn't true. Everyone puts a ton into their characters, even though they never get to be a main part of the plot, as I myself has had plenty, as well as many other role players. Not to mention the fact that Kingfish has done a ton of things, so for him to be exiled or banished, it wouldn't be for nothing. In fact, the very purpose of exiling/banishing him would be a pride and reuniting moment for Nightclan, a rejoice even. Don't get me wrong, as I love Kingfish but we can't have the whole site revolve around him causing trouble, and then he gets off near scott free and alive. Nightclan wouldn't allow it at that point, and Scarletstar wouldn't be eager at all to let him live. Now as for moving on in the plot, a feel like we should all have a time of piece after this whole alliance thing, as a lot has happened, and some recovery should probably be put in place. I can't even remember the last time we had a gathering! So, I don't know if anyone else would agree, but some recovering time would be great in my eyes xD
If Kingfish gets banished and moves to MoonClan, maybe Sharpblades could do something with that? Maybe before he joins NightClan he sees Kingfish in MoonClans camp and is about to run back and report it to NightClan, but Kingfish stops him and threatens to kill him if he does. Kingfish then tells him that if he brought Kingfish information on NightClan then he wouldn't be killed when they attack?
Raze set the Vikings up to incorporate other members into the family, and allowed everyone that participated to have some formal influence. Hickory has the right idea when Devilspawn trains/recruits apprentices within the clan to gain support. Also, if Kingfish were more diplomatic with Scarletflame(star), then he would probably have more influence in the future.
Is there a reason that NightClan needs to remain divided? Poppystar has been long 'retired', so why should anyone in NightClan continue to have a chip on their shoulder?
MoonClan and SunClan are vaguely motivated to become allies since DawnClan was stealing prey from both of them, but I don't think it was effective enough to cause any real disrepair. As for the alliance between DawnClan and NightClan, I don't see that happening without NightClan dominating the relationship. How about we make plans to end isolation and start gatherings again, and then see how the leaders interact with each other before alliances are made? I think the DawnClan leadership should be the ones to continue the dialogue of ending isolation; in conjunction with MoonClan who originally started the notion through Sneakstar.
Is there a reason that NightClan needs to remain divided? Poppystar has been long 'retired', so why should anyone in NightClan continue to have a chip on their shoulder?
MoonClan and SunClan are vaguely motivated to become allies since DawnClan was stealing prey from both of them, but I don't think it was effective enough to cause any real disrepair. As for the alliance between DawnClan and NightClan, I don't see that happening without NightClan dominating the relationship. How about we make plans to end isolation and start gatherings again, and then see how the leaders interact with each other before alliances are made? I think the DawnClan leadership should be the ones to continue the dialogue of ending isolation; in conjunction with MoonClan who originally started the notion through Sneakstar.
(Same, though! )
Yeah, that would be interesting; having him in MoonClan and he meets Sharpblades.
Also, it would cause a lot of tension with him and Manikin, as they would be in the same sphere (oh, look at that, I'm being a sucker for dramatic shits again. XD)
The only reason why I didn't want him to just disappear is because
a) Kingfish has a ton more he could do, which could make the union of the clan all the more joyous
b) I actually had a plan for his death in the future; just getting him banished wouldn't be as dramatic.
Those are really the reasons I want him to stick around at least a little longer.
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Yeah, that would be interesting; having him in MoonClan and he meets Sharpblades.
Also, it would cause a lot of tension with him and Manikin, as they would be in the same sphere (oh, look at that, I'm being a sucker for dramatic shits again. XD)
The only reason why I didn't want him to just disappear is because
a) Kingfish has a ton more he could do, which could make the union of the clan all the more joyous
b) I actually had a plan for his death in the future; just getting him banished wouldn't be as dramatic.
Those are really the reasons I want him to stick around at least a little longer.
Ripple says...
Raze set the Vikings up to incorporate other members into the family, and allowed everyone that participated to have some formal influence. Hickory has the right idea when Devilspawn trains/recruits apprentices within the clan to gain support. Also, if Kingfish were more diplomatic with Scarletflame(star), then he would probably have more influence in the future.
Is there a reason that NightClan needs to remain divided? Poppystar has been long 'retired', so why should anyone in NightClan continue to have a chip on their shoulder?
MoonClan and SunClan are vaguely motivated to become allies since DawnClan was stealing prey from both of them, but I don't think it was effective enough to cause any real disrepair. As for the alliance between DawnClan and NightClan, I don't see that happening without NightClan dominating the relationship. How about we make plans to end isolation and start gatherings again, and then see how the leaders interact with each other before alliances are made? I think the DawnClan leadership should be the ones to continue the dialogue of ending isolation; in conjunction with MoonClan who originally started the notion through Sneakstar.
That's kind of what Kingfish had in mind, was to be the dominant of the DawnClan-NightClan alliance. And, if Kingfish were more diplomatic, which he can be, it would work, but Scarletflame already has a pre-set disliking for him and wont (or at least hasn't) given him a chance to do such a thing. If we were to go that route, I would have to talk something out with Lochflame. It's not a bad idea at all, it just depends on how the leader wants to play it off.
(As I wasn't here during Chugaistar's rule and most of Kingfish's involvement and I'm mainly going off what is on the history page, my opinion here might be a little uninformed and for that I apologise.) I don't really believe that it's plausible for Kingfish to be able to just talk it out with Scarletflame. At this point, he's done a lot that he could (and should) be punished for. Her acceptance of him wouldn't be a good move on her part either, since the clan is already more inclined toward him it would just make him possibly overthrowing her that much more simple since she would be losing power to him in the long run. The plot with Kingfish in MoonClan sounds good to me though!
Halo says...
(As I wasn't here during Chugaistar's rule and most of Kingfish's involvement and I'm mainly going off what is on the history page, my opinion here might be a little uninformed and for that I apologise.) I don't really believe that it's plausible for Kingfish to be able to just talk it out with Scarletflame. At this point, he's done a lot that he could (and should) be punished for. Her acceptance of him wouldn't be a good move on her part either, since the clan is already more inclined toward him it would just make him possibly overthrowing her that much more simple since she would be losing power to him in the long run. The plot with Kingfish in MoonClan sounds good to me though!
Well, it depends. Kingfish is more strategic than to just help the clan over throw her. If he somehow worked out a friendship with her, he would most likely try to make her more like a talking head- trying to subtly influence her choices, that way if something bad were to happen, he would likely sell her out if; say, another clan thought she did something against them, Kingfish would step away with his hands- er- paws up like, "Scarletstar, this is all on you, you did that." (aaaahhhh, what a swell guy, right?)
But I agree, the MoonClan plot may be easier to make happen.
Just something I'd like to point out: Once your character has done things that fall in conflict with the current leadership, one of the consequences can be banishment and that is in no way unfair, but realistic. The decisions made in roleplay have in-roleplay consequences and if a character goes too far, they risk banishment. What isn't fair, is to demand that the leader of that clan simply be okay with that character hanging around and continuing to cause trouble. From what I've read on this page so far, it seems that the general consensus is to reunite NightClan, and getting rid of Kingfish would be a key part in Scarletstar healing the clan's wounds. Moving to MoonClan seems like one of the only viable options for him, but why would they accept him after he kidnapped and killed some of their members?
Lightning says...
Just something I'd like to point out: Once your character has done things that fall in conflict with the current leadership, one of the consequences can be banishment and that is in no way unfair, but realistic. The decisions made in roleplay have in-roleplay consequences and if a character goes too far, they risk banishment. What isn't fair, is to demand that the leader of that clan simply be okay with that character hanging around and continuing to cause trouble. From what I've read on this page so far, it seems that the general consensus is to reunite NightClan, and getting rid of Kingfish would be a key part in Scarletstar healing the clan's wounds. Moving to MoonClan seems like one of the only viable options for him, but why would they accept him after he kidnapped and killed some of their members?
I agree with Lighting on this one. It wouldn't make sense at all for Scarlet to just talk it out after already giving him a chance. And well, it wouldn't "depend" on his charismatic skills and his talking ability, as at this point, it would be common sense to not let him stay. He has killed a cat from each clan, if not all but Dawnclan, and his actions would hurt him dearly. I'm afraid that out of reality, it isn't fair, but his actions have cornered him
I don't really think anything could resolve this but Kingfish moving to Dawnclan instead of Moonclan. If not that, then he probably wouldn't have anywhere else to go. It's hard to try and save a life that had killed and indangered many more without any good real reason for the clan's interests, and that's what Scarlet will be looking at.
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