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Isolation Plot Planning III
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Hi everyone! If you haven’t already, please review the Planned Events portion of the History Page.
In our last plot planning entry, we decided to have the MoonClan/DawnClan battle take place this coming weekend (September 2nd-4th). However, we need to plan how we are going to escalate a skirmish between rogue DawnClaners and a MoonClan patrol to a large battle including the majority of both clans.
There are some more plot ideas that have been floating around for a while but need to be fleshed out, such as when the MoonClan spies are discovered in DawnClan, what will the chain of events be that lead DawnClan to send out spies of their own, and then the other clans to follow suit? As well, what are we doing with the prisoners NightClan has taken? My assumption would be that the other clans will take NightClan prisoners and attempt to trade hostages. However, we could have the other clans attack NightClan if the kidnapping continues, or if NightClan refuses to give up their prisoners in return for the captured NightClanners.
There have been a few plot elements that have been neglected lately, so I’d like to remind everyone that NightClan should be shifting into a violent, eager-to-prove-themselves mindset, while SunClan becomes very strict and single-minded in the pursuit of building up their clan’s strength. Incorporating these ideas into your cats’ day-to-day interactions will help push things forward much more than individual “larger” plot points will.
Aspenstar and Poppystar will both be retiring this month, how do we want to handle that? Spicy, Lilywish, would you like them to retire, be killed, or...?
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So should Night Clan threaten to Kill Hattori too for being weak, and that forces him to pick a gang like deputy?
If Poppystar is murdered for being deemed as too weak, I doubt the clan would have to actually threaten Hattori. I'm pretty sure he'd get the message loud and clear.
Hattori wouldn't be influenced by threats as he doesn't fear death, if he becomes leader with nine lives even more so. He wouldn't pick a cat that he hasn't clashed with before or one whom he deems a little insane. Standing up for his beliefs on how Nightclan should be run would be his number one priority.
I'm also pretty sure Hattori would make sure cats he knew and trusted were keeping the others in check. With isolations comes isolation for a reason, keeping all the cats in. Hattori would understand this and would either banish the unwanted cats or demand they be killed off of imprisoned for their crimes.
@Lochflame, Nightmist and Iciclepaw would slip away, thus creating a suspicion leading up to being ratted out and caught as MoonClan spies.
I think that Hattori could appoint a deputy that sends out those cats to capture and torture other cats, since Hattori wouldn't do that. But who would he appoint? I think I'd be a bit scared if he appointed Kingfish, and I'm not sure if he would appoint such a cruel cat. But, I'm not sure how this could work out. I still like the idea of Poppystar being overthrown by her own clan.
So, the SunClan cats would be pushing Icedawn to become leader, right? Well, let's say that did happen and Darkstar came back. Then what? Would Icedawn remain leader and Darkstar demotes himself? Would Darkstar take back his place and demote Icedawn to deputy, or lower, warrior? Would Icedawn be kicked out of the clan? How would we make this work? Also, what else would we be doing for SunClan? We're making them strict, which works, but what else? I feel like some other major event should happen as well. Perhaps they could be the second clan to send spies?
I think that Hattori could appoint a deputy that sends out those cats to capture and torture other cats, since Hattori wouldn't do that. But who would he appoint? I think I'd be a bit scared if he appointed Kingfish, and I'm not sure if he would appoint such a cruel cat. But, I'm not sure how this could work out. I still like the idea of Poppystar being overthrown by her own clan.
So, the SunClan cats would be pushing Icedawn to become leader, right? Well, let's say that did happen and Darkstar came back. Then what? Would Icedawn remain leader and Darkstar demotes himself? Would Darkstar take back his place and demote Icedawn to deputy, or lower, warrior? Would Icedawn be kicked out of the clan? How would we make this work? Also, what else would we be doing for SunClan? We're making them strict, which works, but what else? I feel like some other major event should happen as well. Perhaps they could be the second clan to send spies?
If we keep NightClan as violent and eager to lash-out as they are now, I don?t think we can realistically keep Hattori in the leadership position unless he changes.
I like the idea of his own deputy going against his back, but since Hattori would pick a cat he?d trust, maybe this cat could be acting in what he believes is Hattori?s best interest? As in, saying that orders to torture are coming from Hattori?? I?m not sure how that would work out in practice, it seems like Hattori would just find out almost immediately.
We could have Hattori overthrown or killed, then leave the clan without any sort of leadership. Different cats would be vying for the position, each with their own supporters, leading to a chaotic civil war. Different cats, in an attempt to gain respect, could attempt increasingly dangerous missions into the other clans? territory. Some could advocate for dropping the code entirely and taking up a gang-like way of life, while others would support Poppystar?s code. We could possibly even have one who supports the traditional code?
I think the chaos would be interesting, considering we?ve never had a clan left without a leader before, but things could get out of hand or, at the least, very difficult to follow. From an OOC perspective, if we went this route, I could do the ceremonies?
Mallow, I think the main point will be that the strictness is ruffling feathers. We could have some more dramatic events unfolding, similar to Dovecloud's banishment.
I like the idea of his own deputy going against his back, but since Hattori would pick a cat he?d trust, maybe this cat could be acting in what he believes is Hattori?s best interest? As in, saying that orders to torture are coming from Hattori?? I?m not sure how that would work out in practice, it seems like Hattori would just find out almost immediately.
We could have Hattori overthrown or killed, then leave the clan without any sort of leadership. Different cats would be vying for the position, each with their own supporters, leading to a chaotic civil war. Different cats, in an attempt to gain respect, could attempt increasingly dangerous missions into the other clans? territory. Some could advocate for dropping the code entirely and taking up a gang-like way of life, while others would support Poppystar?s code. We could possibly even have one who supports the traditional code?
I think the chaos would be interesting, considering we?ve never had a clan left without a leader before, but things could get out of hand or, at the least, very difficult to follow. From an OOC perspective, if we went this route, I could do the ceremonies?
Mallow, I think the main point will be that the strictness is ruffling feathers. We could have some more dramatic events unfolding, similar to Dovecloud's banishment.
Ooh, embers idea for NightClan sounds fun! A NightClan civil war...
Hattori would appoint a cat who he sees as a cat that can take Nightclan down the proper path, trust isn't something he enjoys throwing out so it'd make more sense if the car he picked didn't live up to his expectations. Thus ensuring Nightclan stayed down the road of violence later on. A civil war sounds intriguing, with Hattori going the traditional route it could be him trying to defend his right as leader from pretenders/usurpers.
That NightClan idea sounds very interesting. If it was in his personality, perhaps Hattori could find no one fit to be deputy and just not appoint one and the clan, seeing this as sign of power-hungriness, overthrows him and starts fighting for power since there's no deputy to take his place.
I think that Ember's idea would be perfect, and it would allow anyone at all to have their character grow into a position of some importance in the plot (at least for a short while). Perhaps we could keep Hattori in the official leadership position all the same, but he is regarded by most cats as no more important than one of the warrior's vying for power (say, Kingfish). As well, if it would be more in Hattori's personality to appoint a deputy than to not as River suggests, he could appoint one who he sees as idealistically able, but who the clan sees as weak and nearly alien in their ways. To add to this, Hattori could release the prisoners captured under the former leadership. This sign that the leadership does not represent the clan as a whole could lead to some outspoken cat (Such as Kingfish) to begin gathering support and speaking outright against Hattori's leadership, leading to violent battles between the supporters of the two. Other cats could also begin trying to gain support for leadership. Perhaps, over time, the various groups banish each other from NightClan's camp, until NightClan is spread across the city in various camps, and each group of cats acts like a clan. In terms of logistics outside of the story, this might be difficult to organize, but I believe it would be a very interesting story.
I love your idea Alien, but wouldn't it be too hard to keep track of all the seperate groups?(im going to call them pseudo clans) It would give more members a chance at a higher rank, or atleast close to one.
I'd say the best thing to do right now if we are going down the path of overthrowing Hattori is that if a cat that hasn't shown much around him ( not Kingfish lol , sorry ) shows great belief in what he is doing , but in a pretending way. Once he is overthrown, a single leader could be thrown out of the picture, having a possible overrule of some warriors in charge, like a small group so that they have to most control. Think of an army, as it has several key components. This would make targeting them much harder. However, I would suggest Ember to pick out those who can fit the position. I would only probably suggest we have 3-4, as too many could be a bad thing, taking out the whole purpose of ruling over Nightclan.
Kingfish hasn't really spoken out against Hattori, and I'm sure given that Hattori is probably going to bark his ear off for his capture of so many cats, it could give him a chance to ease his fears and try to reason with/learn about Hattori. 
But that aside, I think the chaos thing could work, except, I think it would either lead to NightClan completely dissolving, or to another DawnClan situation.
But that aside, I think the chaos thing could work, except, I think it would either lead to NightClan completely dissolving, or to another DawnClan situation.
Hattori hasn't even become leader yet, and we're already rehearsing his downfall. I believe we should allow him to introduce his own style of leadership to NightClan, of which I understand is dissimilar to Poppystar's, and see how it fits into the current dynamic of the clan. It probably won't work out in the end, but we should give Henry a chance to rp Hattori without directing him so adamantly. Loosening Hattori's leash won't isolate anyone from the plot, I think.
I agree with Ripple. It's not fair to dictate what Hattori will do, nor the route NightClan should head on. Of course there can be protests and disobedience but we should allow things to happen more naturally. It may never come to the state of complete chaos being described.
For Poppystar, who should be the one to kill her? She still has all nine lives, so perhaps it could be a few cats. And is there any time that you guys would like her to be killed, specifically?
Poppystar could have a Julius Ceasar type of death, where she doesn't see it coming and a few different cats just keep attacking her until she stays dead.
that would work best, 'cause tbh most of the nc cats dont like her anyways so they'd most likely be open to attacking her as a group
Yes I agree with Ripple, and more after it. I feel like instead of making things happen with a majority of the characters isn't what the owner of the character wants, as it's happened in past PP pages. If we are going to advance in any plot, we should really just go with the flow, as plots on this site don't always have to be planned right away and packed with many advents. Yes, it does provide action in the story, but isolation was a plot point itself. We didn't need action to keep going in the plot. Alliances to me aren't long, nor really a major thing. So once that idea was shot down, we just kept going. It's how plot planning works, but I feel like we should all ask eachother first before throwing their character in it ( Ex. Hattori, Poppystar, Aspenstar, Darkstar, etc. higher characters ) I might take a hiatus when school is beginning, and that's another thing we should be aware about. For many of us on this site, school is beginning. This provides a new priority to the already quickly placed plot. It also seems to me in a way that we force a plot too much and it isn't naturally started once talked about 
the two legs plot is very confusing to me? This is in the fact that even though I didn't read too much on that plot, I felt like Dawnclan wasn't suppose to know their cats missing. What I'm trying to say is that it will be a very very long plot process if we elaborate on this plot, and Ripple is right on loosening the leash. If we force things to happen it will feel like more of a chore and not fun. And to top that, school is starting, and I can say, as I am one of these people, many won't be active during the month of September and slight October because of this. This now makes things harder to do. For the people who don't have regular school have either classes or full on college courses. If we keep building this plot over than simple, it won't be executed the right way.
the two legs plot is very confusing to me? This is in the fact that even though I didn't read too much on that plot, I felt like Dawnclan wasn't suppose to know their cats missing. What I'm trying to say is that it will be a very very long plot process if we elaborate on this plot, and Ripple is right on loosening the leash. If we force things to happen it will feel like more of a chore and not fun. And to top that, school is starting, and I can say, as I am one of these people, many won't be active during the month of September and slight October because of this. This now makes things harder to do. For the people who don't have regular school have either classes or full on college courses. If we keep building this plot over than simple, it won't be executed the right way.
I am in agreement with Spicy. I know improvised plots haven't always worked that well in the past, but we have a few good ideas this time that people can start acting on without too much more planning and dictation.
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