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Isolation Plot Planning III
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Hi everyone! If you haven’t already, please review the Planned Events portion of the History Page.
In our last plot planning entry, we decided to have the MoonClan/DawnClan battle take place this coming weekend (September 2nd-4th). However, we need to plan how we are going to escalate a skirmish between rogue DawnClaners and a MoonClan patrol to a large battle including the majority of both clans.
There are some more plot ideas that have been floating around for a while but need to be fleshed out, such as when the MoonClan spies are discovered in DawnClan, what will the chain of events be that lead DawnClan to send out spies of their own, and then the other clans to follow suit? As well, what are we doing with the prisoners NightClan has taken? My assumption would be that the other clans will take NightClan prisoners and attempt to trade hostages. However, we could have the other clans attack NightClan if the kidnapping continues, or if NightClan refuses to give up their prisoners in return for the captured NightClanners.
There have been a few plot elements that have been neglected lately, so I’d like to remind everyone that NightClan should be shifting into a violent, eager-to-prove-themselves mindset, while SunClan becomes very strict and single-minded in the pursuit of building up their clan’s strength. Incorporating these ideas into your cats’ day-to-day interactions will help push things forward much more than individual “larger” plot points will.
Aspenstar and Poppystar will both be retiring this month, how do we want to handle that? Spicy, Lilywish, would you like them to retire, be killed, or...?
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In a way, I believe that a short-lived Sun-Moon alliance could lead to more distrust and chaos between the clans. Since MoonClan would want to hide the fact that they are spying on other clans, and they might want to hide the captured SunClanner from their own clan, Aspenstar (Or whoever the leader is then) might disallow any SunClanner's from coming to MoonClan's camp, even during the alliance. SunClan would probably reciprocate this, forcing the diplomats from both clans to meet at a neutral location, such as the gathering clearing. Continuing to distrust the other clans, and wanting to keep each other from growing too close to another clan for fear of a different alliance being formed, the leadership would be against the alliance from the start, and the clans as a whole would probably only grow more suspicious of each other as parts of each others actions are revealed without motives provided for scrutiny. As such, when the alliance ended, very little would have been accomplished except for the addition of suspicion between the two clans.
I'm also fine with no alliance, if that's the preferred option.
I'm also fine with no alliance, if that's the preferred option.
Also, I was thinking about NightClan trying to form an alliance with DawnClan by sending food over the border in attempts to get them to start trusting NightClan (maybe NC will want to absorb them because they're weakened by the fire/famine?), but could get stopped if/once they figure out that NightClan started the fire and poisoned the river. It would definitely keep them isolated because MoonClan (correct me if I'm wrong) started the isolation, SunClan's on board with it, and then if NightClan is killing them, they'd definitely stay away from them.
It would definitely cause more tension, plus, it could also give the DNP a chance to finally look like the wise ones because they won't accept food from outside the clan, so when NC is discovered poisoning them, they could possibly get more nationalists on their side?
It would definitely cause more tension, plus, it could also give the DNP a chance to finally look like the wise ones because they won't accept food from outside the clan, so when NC is discovered poisoning them, they could possibly get more nationalists on their side?
I'm thinking that we should get Kingfish's prisoners back, at least a couple of them.
Now that we bring up points for why no alliance is needed, I'd rather have no alliances then. However I feel like we don't need to put as much effort into making more of a deal on Dawnclan's side of the issue, as we have already made a solid plot background for them, while the other clans are kinda just out there and winging it. Also, when are the cats that got taken going to return?
Whitefawn and Pebbleshadow, who will be captured by Kingfish and his cronies, will have nowhere to return to, so they'll be stuck as prisoners @[email protected] And I could offer up Scorchedfox to be captured by one of the other clans, later on. If that's something we're doing? I'm kinda lost D:
When Poppystar retires/dies Hattori will definitely want to return the hostages and prohibit any further kidnappings. Wanting to avoid war if at all possible.
Since Poppystar is almost at the age of an elder, she would fine it harder to hunt. Maybe she would go back on the rule of hunting for yourself, but only for her? That could trigger the response of killing her for the cowardly act of disobeying her own rule.
If prisoners continue to be captured by Nightclan, I would volunteer Mantis-strike.
Okay, I think that Nightmist and Iciclepaw could slip away. That would be a great way to lead up to those two being discovered as spies.
Since NightClanners are supposed to sabotage the clans,maybe a patrol that Aspenstar might be on, a NightClan cat/patrol kill him?
Okay, I think that Nightmist and Iciclepaw could slip away. That would be a great way to lead up to those two being discovered as spies.
Since NightClanners are supposed to sabotage the clans,maybe a patrol that Aspenstar might be on, a NightClan cat/patrol kill him?
I'd rather not have another leader captured, as I feel like a war would break out anyways out of pure anger from other clan cats. We have to remember that Nightclan is just a clan like everyone else, and with Hattori becoming leader soon and Henry's wishes, a war shouldn't break out
True, though an all out war could be interesting. I don't think any more leaders should be captured, but regular warriors and apprentices being captured could add up to stress and loss of territory for all the clans. To see how the four Clans figure out how to get back territory.
I have been looking over Kingfish's history a lot lately and it made me think: what if some cats create a gang and kidnap cats, thus loss of warriors and clans becoming weak. It's a crazy idea, I know. Just something random.
I have been looking over Kingfish's history a lot lately and it made me think: what if some cats create a gang and kidnap cats, thus loss of warriors and clans becoming weak. It's a crazy idea, I know. Just something random.
Since we're trying to force NightClan towards a more violent and self-centered existence, perhaps we need to have Hattori's deputy be a more gang-like cat so that the entire leadership isn't opposed by the clan. Hattori isn't stupid, so he might decide that he needs to please his constituents. It would be like a Presidential candidate choosing a runningmate - if they've got a certain portion of the population who they are not well received by a certain group (In this case, the more violent cats that support abusing the other clans) then they choose someone who will win over the support of this group. In this way we can allow Hattori to become leader while keeping NightClan on the planned path.
Man... I'd almost be willing to give up Swanswirl and bring Goshawktalon back, if I could. That would be an awesome opportunity. XD Gos is a gang cat through and through. But of course, I'm not sure that his personality would really fit the role of deputy. He'd be a little pigheaded about it and try to run the show. 
That wouldn't be good at all. D: and he would be too violent. :x
That wouldn't be good at all. D: and he would be too violent. :x
Although an anarchy way of looking at it is if Hattori just orders to chase out or kill the cats causing the problem. The idea of having Nightclan being a little more civilized sounds fun to me a bit XD Why always stick with the same thing? A bit of change in the leadership could be interesting, unlike having a leader always and constantly having the right ideal to be a leader. I tend to roleplay more with characters that stick out from their role, as same with plots. I feel like if the plot is a good ideal for me, Im more likely to roleplay in it.
So, in brief summary of what has been discussed and specifically supported so far:
-NightClan sending out kidnap/torture agents to get information about other clans
-Poppystar being overthrown by her own clan
-Aspenstar retiring
-An exodus of cats from DawnClan fleeing the growing violence there
-An increase in support for the nationalists, and a greater organization of the nationalist movement
-No alliances
-Experienced SunClan warriors force Icedawn to become leader and appoint deputy
-More skirmishes with more varied results (ie. NightClan not always winning)
-Increased suspicion of MoonClan's spies (Especially in DawnClan)
I think that covers most of the points which have been both mentioned and then discussed to some extent. Are we good to start having our cats fit into the more broad of these plots already (eg. More skirmishes, Sunclanners forcing Icedawn into leadership)?
The above points give answers to a few of the questions asked in the OP, but they don't flesh out anything from the second paragraph: The chain of events which will cause other clans to send out spies, and the fate of NightClan's increasing supply of prisoners. Will we wait for Hattori to release them, or will the other clans be taking more urgent action? I suggest the latter, as waiting for Hattori's sign of good will might diffuse the tension growing between the clans rather than add to it.
-NightClan sending out kidnap/torture agents to get information about other clans
-Poppystar being overthrown by her own clan
-Aspenstar retiring
-An exodus of cats from DawnClan fleeing the growing violence there
-An increase in support for the nationalists, and a greater organization of the nationalist movement
-No alliances
-Experienced SunClan warriors force Icedawn to become leader and appoint deputy
-More skirmishes with more varied results (ie. NightClan not always winning)
-Increased suspicion of MoonClan's spies (Especially in DawnClan)
I think that covers most of the points which have been both mentioned and then discussed to some extent. Are we good to start having our cats fit into the more broad of these plots already (eg. More skirmishes, Sunclanners forcing Icedawn into leadership)?
The above points give answers to a few of the questions asked in the OP, but they don't flesh out anything from the second paragraph: The chain of events which will cause other clans to send out spies, and the fate of NightClan's increasing supply of prisoners. Will we wait for Hattori to release them, or will the other clans be taking more urgent action? I suggest the latter, as waiting for Hattori's sign of good will might diffuse the tension growing between the clans rather than add to it.
I think that NightClan would demand territory instead of just releasing the prisoners, wouldn't they? I like the idea of the cruel NightClan, and again, I volunteer Mantis-strike to be captured as well as Wolf-fang. But it depends on how we decide this. Anyways.
So, with this battle with DawnClan and MoonClan happening, the way that MoonClan spies would be discovered (ish) would be for the two spies, Nightmist and Iciclepaw, to slip away during that battle. This would create suspicion in DawnClan until they are ratted out as spies, which I'm not completely sure how that would happen.
I think that it would be great if Poppystar was overthrown by her own clan. After all, she did promote a lot of violence, so why not take it out on her? I think that would make sense. One of the cats who does want to overthrow Poppystar could start talking other cats into it. Mob psychology would work too. For those who don't know, Mob psychology is basically someone shouting out an idea in a large group of people, and for some reason everyone agrees and the idea spreads throught the crow. Anyways. But, if Hattori became leader, is he really the kind of cat who would torture information out of other cats? Sorry, I haven't studied him yet.
So, with this battle with DawnClan and MoonClan happening, the way that MoonClan spies would be discovered (ish) would be for the two spies, Nightmist and Iciclepaw, to slip away during that battle. This would create suspicion in DawnClan until they are ratted out as spies, which I'm not completely sure how that would happen.
I think that it would be great if Poppystar was overthrown by her own clan. After all, she did promote a lot of violence, so why not take it out on her? I think that would make sense. One of the cats who does want to overthrow Poppystar could start talking other cats into it. Mob psychology would work too. For those who don't know, Mob psychology is basically someone shouting out an idea in a large group of people, and for some reason everyone agrees and the idea spreads throught the crow. Anyways. But, if Hattori became leader, is he really the kind of cat who would torture information out of other cats? Sorry, I haven't studied him yet.
To have the spies be discovered, Nightmist and Iciclepaw could be caught attacking a DawnClanner, or I could make iciclepaw be pinned by a MoonClanner and have him blurt out that he and Nightmist are on MoonClans side, while a DawnClan cat is behind him? Idk
Another issue came up in my head just about Aspenstar, so just as he is about to retire, I'll have him in another battle and he can be killed from wounds, as I'd like him to say goodbye to his kits and clan. Then he can be in Starclan soon enough to where he can give Sneakstep a life. I wanted to post this here so that maybe if we are making battle plans on a calendar or something, this can be used into play.
@Mallowfoot: In relation to the Hattori kindness issue: Perhaps the deputy appointed by Hattori (If they were more violent and vicious) could send out agents of torture without Hattori's approval, along with performing other acts to undermine his leader's authority.
I agree with @Alienfish . That would make the most sense if we are going with this torture plan
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