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Now that the flooding arc has drawn to a close, it’s time to start considering where we want to carry the war from here. MoonClan and NightClan are loosely allied, as are SunClan and DawnClan, but where do we want the source of their next battle to come from?
We can continue to feed off of the assassin plot, possibly, if cats continue to go missing from border patrols and such, or we can start something new, possibly escalated border skirmishes, drama at a gathering, etc.
In the last plot planning page, we considered having apprentices continue meeting at the gathering clearing and eventually being found out by their leaders.
What do y’all think should happen?
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Skeletonbones, Wolfie was referring to Loyalsoldier, who was a queen at the time of her death. Not Queenthrone.
oops! XD Hey I think we should still go with Killerqueen and that
I can't speak for Poppydeath (since she'll be the one receiving them as Lionstar is currently preoccupied with hunting down his kits) but I'm sure that if she's civil, the warriors and apprentices can cause some trouble.
No cats show disobedience? I don't know, typical dictator stuff. Don't talk bad about PoppyFrost, etc
Killlerqueen has two people to kill, PM if you want any of your characters to be killed by Killerqueen 
Hm, Poppydeath could mandate the viking tradition of leaving out kits to cull out the weaker ones...?
And Poppy's explanation could possibly be that she is trying to make the kits understand what it is like to be hungry so they'll hunt even more when made apprentices. I'm not sure if this would fit into Poppy, since I have never seen Poppy in action or role played one of my cats with her.
Thank you for the ideas, guys! I mixed a few together and I'm sure it will be very interesting.
Spicy says...
So when talking through certain members through a chat about the plot, I had this thought -
So right now we are all trying to isolate the clans to themselves, others being not so kind to the others, feeling they are suspicious. Once all of these clans are isolated, I came up with the idea of a clan having certain needs in a time of despair, asking the others clans for help. Upon refusal of these requests from this clan, many of their cats fall ill or even die. Eventually this clan will get over the problem, but blame the other clans for throwing away many cats lives in the process. Upon more detail and discussion, this will be Sunclan, as they have been the "helping" clan and so forth. Deciding to go with natural fires, mostly caused by dry lighting ( lighting created when temperatures rise to very high and humid levels ) , they're territory will recover, but their prey will be gone. Cats will die in the fire, but few. Where most cats will die is by starvation or illness from malnourishment. What do you all think of this?
Alright, I'm just quoting this so it's brought back to the forefront of everyone's memory while I discuss a dissenting idea.
Halo and I have been discussing the SunClan destruction plot a bit, and while our entire conversation was based around the idea that we were too biased to make any arguments against it, we feel it would only be right to throw these points out there for consideration:
1. SunClan is already the smallest clan. While this could make it easier to portray as "weakened", it also means that we're encouraging people to kill off their SunClan characters. This is very contradictory to the fact that there's a current push for the SunClan population to grow.
2. SunClan has been the victim of many similar plots in the past (Most severely affected by The Drought, then a Blizzard at the end of Fallenstar's war, then scarcity of prey, then more prey scarcity during the war of the lost kits, then being one of the most affected during the Medicine Cat's Rise); as such, you'd think they would have a plan to get around food shortages by now, such as, perhaps, hunting in the loner plains rather than in other territories.
3. While the weakening of SunClan could certainly drive more wedges between the clans, it would be hard to accurately depict with the level of activity which befalls the typical SunClan forums. Which brings us to the next topic...
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We have come up with several alternatives which follow a similar pattern, but lack a few of the perceived negative consequences:
Says Halo: "I would settle for something a little less harsh, say, a fire in only a portion of the SunClan territory and upon receiving no help from the other clans they are forced to hunt in the loner plains where the patrols are regularly attacked and that's where most of the death comes from rather than starvation or malnourishment [Alien Note: This could also make the plot more exciting, as dying from malnourishment is rather boring]. Or we could suggest that it happens to another clan entirely, like MoonClan, who have typically been self-righteous, so if help is denied for them it has far more of an impact."
One slightly pernickety fact is that it's almost leaf-bare, meaning that fires might be a little hard to start for the next two months or so.
Another thought is that NightClan could be on the receiving end; perhaps there is a two-leg crackdown on stray cats in the city, or an effort to exterminate all of the rodents, thereby eliminating a large swath of that clan's food supplies. Plus, this would make the other clans' refusal to assist more understandable - while they are leaning towards a more isolationist living any way, the added threat of having to mingle with two-legs is enough to sway any right-minded clan away from the idea of helping NightClan. This could be done early on, pushing the clans towards more isolationism. While cats could die of malnourishment in the second option, the first one would provide impetus for more two-legs vs. cat battles, which would probably remain exciting.
Plus, unlike SunClan, NightClan has a huge number of characters, and, akin to how Halo argued for MoonClan, NightClan is more well known for harsh responses to disagreements.
((Continued in next comment... again...))
Says Halo: "I would settle for something a little less harsh, say, a fire in only a portion of the SunClan territory and upon receiving no help from the other clans they are forced to hunt in the loner plains where the patrols are regularly attacked and that's where most of the death comes from rather than starvation or malnourishment [Alien Note: This could also make the plot more exciting, as dying from malnourishment is rather boring]. Or we could suggest that it happens to another clan entirely, like MoonClan, who have typically been self-righteous, so if help is denied for them it has far more of an impact."
One slightly pernickety fact is that it's almost leaf-bare, meaning that fires might be a little hard to start for the next two months or so.
Another thought is that NightClan could be on the receiving end; perhaps there is a two-leg crackdown on stray cats in the city, or an effort to exterminate all of the rodents, thereby eliminating a large swath of that clan's food supplies. Plus, this would make the other clans' refusal to assist more understandable - while they are leaning towards a more isolationist living any way, the added threat of having to mingle with two-legs is enough to sway any right-minded clan away from the idea of helping NightClan. This could be done early on, pushing the clans towards more isolationism. While cats could die of malnourishment in the second option, the first one would provide impetus for more two-legs vs. cat battles, which would probably remain exciting.
Plus, unlike SunClan, NightClan has a huge number of characters, and, akin to how Halo argued for MoonClan, NightClan is more well known for harsh responses to disagreements.
((Continued in next comment... again...))
If the SunClan destruction plot was meant to become the turning point where isolation becomes animosity and war breaks out, then another possibility to accomplish that would be to have accusations by one clan that another clan is interfering with their way of life, or at least threatening to (Perhaps by unknowingly stealing large numbers of their clanmembers, or by simply making suggestions of reunification at a medicine cat meeting or gathering). Since the isolation befalling the clans is so extreme, such allegations could cause extreme backlash from other clans, although it could allow for clans to ally interestingly, as the clan who was accused of such blasphemy could be supported by another clan in favour of ending the isolationism (Perhaps they are the clan suffering the aforementioned disasters, and they want to be on good terms with another clan so that they may garner some relief). The two remaining clans, both very isolationist, could be forced into an alliance of necessity, as they see that if these other two clans ally, then they will be left as easy targets. The alliances could be weak in that none of the clans really trust each other and are simply incompatible at this point; if the war were to be prolonged, then we could see clans switching alliances and betraying former partners as they grapple for stronger bonds, having completely forgotten about their isolationism (However, the isolationism could live on in the fact that the clans have become so different none of them can truly work together). A DawnClan-NightClan alliance might fit the bill for the 'Pro-reconciliation' alliance, especially if we have DawnClan, renowned for peace, suggesting the reunification while NightClan is the one suffering and requiring assistance. Meanwhile, SunClan and MoonClan could be more separate and therefore become the original isolationist's alliance. Furthermore, Halo has made the suggestion that one of the two clans of isolation be forced to lie in order to formulate the alliance: After feeling threatened by the reconciliationists, one of the clans approaches the other, which refuses. Later, after suffering some territorial losses at the hands of the reconciliationists, the clan decides to resort to underhanded tactics in order to form what they now see as a necessary alliance: They send some warriors to murder a patrol from their intended alliance partner, making it appear to be the fault of the reconciliationists. The reconciliationists deny responsibility, but the victim-clan fails to believe them and forms an alliance with the actual murderers. Through this route, we manage to form another way in which the alliance could fall apart, and keep more excitement in the plot.
Of course, I suppose we could do all of this; having tragedy strike MoonClan, SunClan, and NightClan, with it pushing each clan in different ways. MoonClan and SunClan become more isolationist, while NightClan does the same only until their opportunistic values incline them to take advantage of the suggestions which DawnClan makes. It keeps all clans in the plot, hopefully allows SunClan to remain at a somewhat reasonable population level, may help to curb NightClan's insane growth, allows for slightly more exciting events, and, well, it just seems like a realistic idea. Perhaps this is just our SunClan bias, as I do see Spicy's suggestion as being a great one, but perhaps this bias has allowed for some other reasonably good ideas to emerge.
Of course, I suppose we could do all of this; having tragedy strike MoonClan, SunClan, and NightClan, with it pushing each clan in different ways. MoonClan and SunClan become more isolationist, while NightClan does the same only until their opportunistic values incline them to take advantage of the suggestions which DawnClan makes. It keeps all clans in the plot, hopefully allows SunClan to remain at a somewhat reasonable population level, may help to curb NightClan's insane growth, allows for slightly more exciting events, and, well, it just seems like a realistic idea. Perhaps this is just our SunClan bias, as I do see Spicy's suggestion as being a great one, but perhaps this bias has allowed for some other reasonably good ideas to emerge.
*Just saying something* I feel as if Nightclan would have too much pride to call out for help, or blame it on the other clans for not being caring enough. I find that clan to be the most hardy, or as others may say, have thick endurance, seeing as they live with two-legs so close. What I'm trying to get through is I don't think Nightclan would call out for help unless they have nothing, very few warriors, no food, cats are dropping like flies. Of course, we could make this happen.
What I would like to see a Moonclan and Nightclan alliance. Yes, yes, this would be very rare. But I feel it could be a big downfall for both. Dawnclan and Sunclan would be against them, and worried of their destruction, they would be forcefully allianced with eachother. In their attempt to get along with eachother, they somewhat destroy eachother. I'm not too sure how this would happen, though.
I am fine with this 'clan in need' plot happening in a different clan. I agree with Alien and Halo.
What I would like to see a Moonclan and Nightclan alliance. Yes, yes, this would be very rare. But I feel it could be a big downfall for both. Dawnclan and Sunclan would be against them, and worried of their destruction, they would be forcefully allianced with eachother. In their attempt to get along with eachother, they somewhat destroy eachother. I'm not too sure how this would happen, though.
I am fine with this 'clan in need' plot happening in a different clan. I agree with Alien and Halo.
I know that realistically hunting in the loners? plains makes sense for SunClan, but so far we?ve ignored that they?re even there and, while it doesn?t make much sense in-game, I?d rather not open up that can of worms. If we set the precedent for hunting in loners? areas, then there?s no reason for the clans to be exchanging pieces of their own territories, as they can just head outside their borders for resources.
I think having two-legs start causing problems in NightClan is a great idea, but not literal two-legs vs cat ?battles? because, well, if a large group of cats attacked a person, that large group of cats would be very dead before long. Maybe we can go with two-legs poisoning rats, so when cats eat the rats, they get sick? NightClan could not know where the sickness is coming from and we can use that to start tension within their own ranks and, if they get desperate enough, have them start thinking that, say, MoonClan is poisoning their food supplies.
Having SunClan remaining isolationist also makes sense, with their more cautious nature. I think that?s a great plan!!
I think having two-legs start causing problems in NightClan is a great idea, but not literal two-legs vs cat ?battles? because, well, if a large group of cats attacked a person, that large group of cats would be very dead before long. Maybe we can go with two-legs poisoning rats, so when cats eat the rats, they get sick? NightClan could not know where the sickness is coming from and we can use that to start tension within their own ranks and, if they get desperate enough, have them start thinking that, say, MoonClan is poisoning their food supplies.
Having SunClan remaining isolationist also makes sense, with their more cautious nature. I think that?s a great plan!!
Another plan to add tension to the clans and hunting situation: Seraphgaze is going kill Blackpine and, upon his return, Lionstar will seek retaliation against DawnClan. Instead of starting a war, he will send some warriors to set fire to DawnClan's territory. It would be nearly impossible to pin the event on NightClan, and the fire would put DawnClan in a situation where prey is scarce, which I don't think they've ever suffered from before.
Really good idea, but one question: How would they start the fire?
They could use a cigarette butt someone threw out of their car.
It would be better if we kept it as only a surface fire, I don't think it would be a good idea to destroy their trees with a crown fire.
It would be better if we kept it as only a surface fire, I don't think it would be a good idea to destroy their trees with a crown fire.
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