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Hello everyone!
If you haven’t yet, please read over the planned events section of the history page. I haven’t gotten the chance to update it since last week, so there are references to Lightningstar disappearing and Floodheart taking her place, but other than that the information still stands.
The plot seems sufficiently planned out for now, but I worry that the SunClan arc could be made stronger. There’s been very limited tension between Icestar and Jaguargaze supporters, so we could possibly drop that thread and try something else in SunClan. MoonClan has also been quiet recently and while that may pick up when they are attacked by NightClan and DawnClan, I’d love to hear any suggestions for plots there.
As an aside for everyone with cats traveling between DawnClan and NightClan, please do not record these movements on the Character Updates page. Since all of the characters will still be considered members of their original clans and are only temporarily staying with the other clan, there’s no need for them to be moved on the pages.
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I don't think that we should abandon the SunClan leadership tensions just yet. If we could get the two of them to the Moonstone soon, I think there are many places we could go from there. However, adding a second plot for SunClan wouldn't be a bad idea. The more the merrier!
Yeah, I think the leader plot should stay, but it needs to become useful, not just another plot.
Perhaps a fox family returns to the Fox-Place and decides to raid the SunClan Camp? Both leaders try to give opposing orders and their Clanmates find themselves in confusion and chaos on to who to obey. Tensions would definitely increase, although it would be hard to chase the foxes out without a death or some serious injuries. If we were to follow the route and try to be realistic, some people would have to offer their characters up. I do know, however, some people who are killing off characters, so that might not be an issue. After that they could go to the Moonstone to decide once and for all?
When going to the Moonstone, Sharkfang could accompany them. Upon seeing that neither of them has been chosen, she could decide to launch her own campaign for the leadership, making a three-way split in the clan.
I am not sure if there would be a need for a three-way split on the leadership. Since Icestar hasn't been doing anything, Jaguar has been falling into the role, if only as a temporary leader figure, until Icestar officially resigns her leadership. Jaguargaze probably would not even see Icestar as a real genuine threat anymore, since she hasn't been showing face, and she is getting older, and due to the fact that he (Jaguar) has been doing most everything, with the help of the head warriors, of course.
If we did go the peaceful route which you suggest, Silverwind, then yes, there would be no need for what I suggested. And that sounds good, especially if we can't get too many posts from Icestar right now. However, we'll have to check with Shade about that.
I like Averyiator's suggestion about the fox attack, especially if we are going with more tension between the two leaders and their supporters.
I like Averyiator's suggestion about the fox attack, especially if we are going with more tension between the two leaders and their supporters.
Raven, keeping some tension in SunClan would give MoonClan reason to doubt the solidity of their own alliance and give NightClan and DawnClan a boost.
Alienfish, what would Sharkfang campaign on? With how badly the Weepingstar plot went, SunClan would need a very compelling reason to back her.
Silverwind, I agree that there likely won't be a three-way split unless Icestar becomes more active, but if we have Sharkfang make a real bid for the leadership, we'd be back to a two-way split.
The fox attack sounds great, especially if Sharkfang/Jaguargaze blame their opposition for failing to send out enough patrols to stop the fox attack in the first place.
Alienfish, what would Sharkfang campaign on? With how badly the Weepingstar plot went, SunClan would need a very compelling reason to back her.
Silverwind, I agree that there likely won't be a three-way split unless Icestar becomes more active, but if we have Sharkfang make a real bid for the leadership, we'd be back to a two-way split.
The fox attack sounds great, especially if Sharkfang/Jaguargaze blame their opposition for failing to send out enough patrols to stop the fox attack in the first place.
Just as a note for the DC/ NC plot, we are going to need more cats traveling to NightClan. We only have 2 at the moment.
Well, if Jaguarstar would go to the Moonstone (without Icestar going as well) and would not be contacted by StarClan he would be a bit upset. However, he would likely just take it as an "I have to wait for Icestar to retire" and probably would not do anything to jeopardize his chance at leadership. He wants to be leader, but won't risk doing something that may potentially hurt SunClan as a whole, since he believes that SunClan should be put before his own wants and needs, even if he does want to be leader right away. He would just wait like any other deputy would for the chance at leadership. Now, if Sharkfang would try to move in, that might get a little bit of a rise out of Jaguargaze. He doesn't know much about Weepingstar and what happened, so he would not be able to wheel tjat around and into Sharkfang's face, but perhaps some of the cats in the clan, those who might support Jaguar, would be able to point that out. If only to Jaguargaze, at first anyhow. Jaguargaze will probably need all the support he can get...since it seems everyone is after the SunClan leader position right now. 
Sharkfang would probably campaign on two main points. One would be the formation of a far more hierarchical structure, one where it would be expected that cats would strive for power and their own success, and that by striving for their own success they would thereby improve the clan and be far more personally motivated to do so. Her second point would definitely revolve around StarClan, keeping in mind that she would only launch her bid for the leadership after she had seen that neither Icestar nor Jaguarstar was received by their ancestors at the Moonstone. This second point would be an echo of Weepingstar's own arguments: StarClan would be honoured and revered in more public manners, to guarantee that the ancestors continue to favour SunClan over the other clans, as Sharkfang already believes that they do.
So, the way I see it, while Icestar would argue for a more relaxed and familiar lifestyle, Jaguargaze and Sharkfang would be two sides of a stricter coin. Both would have the same goals - a stronger SunClan - but while the former would be arguing for direct devotion to the Clan (clan-before-the-individual) and the Warrior Code, Sharkfang would be arguing for devotion to one's self and to StarClan, with the hope that this would result in the empowerment of the Clan.
Does that sound solid enough? I may have misrepresented Icestar or Jaguargaze here; my apologies. Please correct anything I'm wrong about.
EDIT: Oh! Why would SunClan back Sharkfang? I suppose she would appeal to cats less interested in the monotony of working for the clan, and more interested in working for themselves, but still seeking a stronger SunClan. Ambitious cats or cats who have little faith in the selflessness of their peers might be enticed by Sharkfang's arguments.
So, the way I see it, while Icestar would argue for a more relaxed and familiar lifestyle, Jaguargaze and Sharkfang would be two sides of a stricter coin. Both would have the same goals - a stronger SunClan - but while the former would be arguing for direct devotion to the Clan (clan-before-the-individual) and the Warrior Code, Sharkfang would be arguing for devotion to one's self and to StarClan, with the hope that this would result in the empowerment of the Clan.
Does that sound solid enough? I may have misrepresented Icestar or Jaguargaze here; my apologies. Please correct anything I'm wrong about.
EDIT: Oh! Why would SunClan back Sharkfang? I suppose she would appeal to cats less interested in the monotony of working for the clan, and more interested in working for themselves, but still seeking a stronger SunClan. Ambitious cats or cats who have little faith in the selflessness of their peers might be enticed by Sharkfang's arguments.
If Icestar would step down, I don't see why neither cat (at least Jaguar) would recieve a message from StarClan, or why Jaguar couldn't recieve his lives from them. If Icestar would go to the Moonstone to renounce her position, thus giving up her remaining extra lives, I don't see why StarClan would refuse to give Jaguargaze his lives. He hasn't done anything so sinful or evil against the Warrior Code to be so harshly punished. Yes, he was a bit upset that Icestar returned, but he never once thought about, or tried, to kill her to gain his place as leader. He has just been a bit grumpy and impatient about the whole waiting game....
If Icestar steps down, or Jaguarstar is recognized by StarClan, Sharkfang wouldn't try to take the leadership for herself.
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Just as a note for the DC/ NC plot, we are going to need more cats traveling to NightClan. We only have 2 at the moment.
I think I will make a character to go... also, I am going to volunteer Thoth to die in the fox attack,
I think that the rival leadership thing could be good. It could make things more interesting for the plot. I like Avery's idea about the fox thing. That could also push the MoonClan-SunClan alliance.
We will have to wait until Shade replies, to know for sure what might be a possible option, as far as what to do about the leadership issue. It probably isn't best to do too much more with this, the SunClan plot-thing, without her.
Berrysong, Silverwind - you're both right. So, SunClan plotting on hold, NightClan-DawnClan on the rise - should some more planning be done for MoonClan as Ember suggested?
Five cats are going to NightClan now, right? Does anyone else have a cat they like to send who haven?t had speak up in the roleplay?
My assumption with the Jaguar/Ice/Possibly Shark plot was that none of them would agree to back out. If one of them does, then the whole plot goes somewhat out the window. There?s nothing wrong with that, of course, the plot should be flexible. If we do away with the leadership conflict entirely, we could have SunClan leadership under Jaguarstar simply pushing their clan further and further until something breaks under the tension. For that, though, I agree that I?d like to talk to Shade about her projected activity and where she wants to head with Icestar.
As for MoonClan, I?m at a bit of a loss, though that probably has more to do with the fact that I haven?t been on there as much as usual. I know the leadership position has been open for a while, but someone should be put in it before the end of the week?fingers crossed!
My assumption with the Jaguar/Ice/Possibly Shark plot was that none of them would agree to back out. If one of them does, then the whole plot goes somewhat out the window. There?s nothing wrong with that, of course, the plot should be flexible. If we do away with the leadership conflict entirely, we could have SunClan leadership under Jaguarstar simply pushing their clan further and further until something breaks under the tension. For that, though, I agree that I?d like to talk to Shade about her projected activity and where she wants to head with Icestar.
As for MoonClan, I?m at a bit of a loss, though that probably has more to do with the fact that I haven?t been on there as much as usual. I know the leadership position has been open for a while, but someone should be put in it before the end of the week?fingers crossed!
What happened with Brokenpaw? Could we use that to have some further tension between NightClan and MoonClan right now?
Hm, you're right, that plot did fall to the wayside. I'm fairly certain Brokenpaw is at least still in MoonClan?
If she is, it's possible that NightClan just thinks she was captured by the twolegs and hasn't found her way back to the camp yet, or left the clan. At this point, I think they'd have to find out she's in MoonClan to really react, since I haven't seen any mention of her on the NightClan thread.
If she is, it's possible that NightClan just thinks she was captured by the twolegs and hasn't found her way back to the camp yet, or left the clan. At this point, I think they'd have to find out she's in MoonClan to really react, since I haven't seen any mention of her on the NightClan thread.
Darkwisp and Ricochet had a chat about Brokenpaw right after the clan returned to camp from Origam's. They pretty much think as you said Ember. Is MoonClan going to keep her as a prisoner? Or Try to negotiate for her release? Although, she could also come back during the next battle. It's up to Raven, really.
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